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I haven't done many CRT's so I don't know if there's a particular etiquette to this or not but here it is. Forgive me if the format is sloppy. This is relatively simple CRT that's just using info already on the profiles rather than any new info, new scaling, or arguments that would require a lot of debate and discussion, so hopefully this isn't a hassle.

Liltotto's speed is listed as Sub Rel+, and Lille Barro upscales from her for being a part of the Schutzstaffel. But the rest of the Schutzstaffel don't have the 'at least Sub Rel+' speed rating or justifications. Neither does Jugram or Base Yhwach. You can argue Royd, Gremmy, and 'The Wind' deserve it too for being a Yhwach stand in, being the strongest non Schutzstaffel memeber, and being considered 'worthy' to go to the Soul King palace while people like Liltotto weren't, but that's more debatable.

The people that would definitely scale to 'at least Sub Rel+' would be

A.) All of the Schutzstaffel for scaling above all of the non Schutzstaffel, including Liltotto (Askin, Pernida, Uryu, and Gerard. Lille is already included.)
B.) Yoruichi, Urahara to Askin,
C.) Mayuri, Power Enhanced Nemu, Sealed Kenpachi to Pernida
D.) Immature Bankai Toshiro, Post 0 Squad Byakuya, Shikai Kenpachi to Gerard
E.) Kyoraku to Lille
F.) Base Yhwach and Jugram for superiority to Liltotto and scaling to or above various forms of the Schutzstaffel.
G.) Nimaiya and Ichibei for scaling above the Schutzstaffel pre Auchwalen and for scaling above Base Yhwach respectively.

1.) People that potentially scale would be Renji for fighting post revival Base Gerard along with Byakuya.
2.) Potentially Bazz B for fighting Renji and Jugram.
3.) Royd, Gremmy, and 'The Wind' for possible or almost definite superiority to Liltotto.
4.) Yama for scaling to Royd and arguably being superior to the 2nd Invasion Shini that scale to the Schutzstaffel. (But since Bleach characters canonically get amps after life and death battles and many of them trained between the first and second invasion on top of that, it's possible that Yama being > all the Captains during the first invasion doesn't apply to the second invasion).
5.) Bambietta for likely being comparable or superior to Liltotto and Komamura for tagging Vollstandig Bambi in combat
6.) Fullbring Bankai Ichigo for being able to blitz Bambietta's energy sensing perception and downscaling from/reacting to Base Yhwach after absorbing Royd and Yama. (Also, even without this scaling, he's currently listed as MH+ when his far weaker Striped Mask form is Sub Rel, so at worst he should be Sub Rel. Ginjo has Sub Rel for scaling to Ichigo but Ichigo himself doesn't have it.)
7.) Base Aizen for scaling to Yama and potentially to certain CFYOW characters.

Some people would scale to Relativistic as well. Bankai Kenpachi for his 5x stat amp and Byakuya for his Bankai's over 2x attack speed amp.

Possibly scaling to Relativistic would be

A.) Vollstandig Gerard and Final Form Gerard for being very likely superior to Bankai Kenpachi (God Size Gerard was => Shikai Kenpachi and Vollstandig is a bigger boost than Letzt Stil which is a bigger boost than Bankai. Unlike Bankai, Vollstandig definitely boosts all stats and the schrift combat ability while Bankai is case by case. And on top of that, Gerard got a Miracle boost from all the damage Bankai Kenpachi gave him on top of the Vollstandig boost. Miracle does boost speed too, since Base Gerard was getting beat up by Renji while God Sized Gerard was dodging and tagging Shikai Kenpachi).

B.) Mature Bankai Toshiro could also scale for being superior to Vollstandig Gerard and fighting Final Form Gerard for an extended period of time off screen while exhausted. Byakuya can also scale to this for blocking an attack from final form Gerard and fighting him off screen along with Toshiro.

If that's enough justification for a 'possibly' or a 'likely' then that's nice, I'm just presenting the information.

If it helps, Gerard does call himself the greatest and fastest or strongest and fastest Quincy in 668, and the weekly shonen version that has the narration text (not the volume version) doubles down on the 'strongest quincy' part.



In this context, the narration text along with Gerard's comment heavily implies it's talking about in terms of physical capabilities like speed and strength and is saying Gerard is the strongest. It has justification for him and the shinigami that scale to him to have a slightly higher rating than the other Quincy and Shinigami, so I think at the very least a 'possibly' is justified considering Gerard has 2 more forms on top of that one, as well as the fact that Miracle gives a speed amp. (Base Gerard was getting tagged by Shikai Renji, God Sized Gerard was able to dodge and tag Shikai Kenpachi in combat.) And Vollstandig undeniably gives a speed amp.

C.) Base Yhwach could also possibly scale to Rel as he absorbed Royd and Yama, though he would need different keys and Yhwach's absorption scaling might need another CRT. And if he does scale then FB Bankai Ichigo would downscale as he can react to him in combat.

That's that for stats.

Now for powers and abilities. Keep in mind, this isn't adding any new powers or abilities, it's just going off of the profiles and adding things that should already be there.

Yoruichi and Urahara should get resistance to poison manipulation for resisting Askin's enhanced poison manip in base and Vollstandig respectively.

Yoruichi naturally and Urahara/Yourichi through equipment (Base Asking), and Urahara through his own natural resistance against (Vollstandig Askin)-




Royd, Unohana, Gerard and Toshiro should get resistance to Kenpachi's passive molecular Deconstruction and Spatial Manipulation. All 4 of these people interacted with/physically touched Zaraki or his Zanpakuto while his eyepatch was off post SAFWY. Gerard and Toshiro being at a time where Zaraki was significantly stronger, as well as Unohana to a lesser extent.



Byakuya could also possibly get these resistances for being enveloped in Bankai Zaraki's initial burst of Reiatsu. And this could also be further justification for Toshiro as well. (Color version showing it wasn't just wind or air pressure, but Zaraki's Reiatsu)-



Gerard, or at the very least, Hoffung should get resistance to spatial manipulation and durability negation for clashing with Kenpachi who was going all out-



Idk if Toshiro would get any additional abilities for one shotting a Vollstandig amped version of this Hoffung or if it's covered in his power null. Guess we have to wait til like, 2025 to see if he cut the sword and froze it at the same time or froze it after breaking it.

Toshiro could potentially get resistance if Kenpachi's spatial cutting is passive rather than active. (Keep in mind Kenpachi having his eyepatch off means he physically can't hold back his reiatsu at the very least and he originally cut space with the eyepatch still on. Kenny's spatial cutting is implied to be an extension as Kenpachi's cutting power being able to 'cut anything' rather than an active hax ability that he activates, in verse at least. Idk how its treated on the wiki)-

https://imgur.com/a/sOQ3PNx

Gerard should gain a potential resistance to Elemental Manipulation and a definite resistance to Ice/Low Temp Manip and possibly absolute zero scaling from Toshiro's profile. (3 different translations of Gerard saying he's resistant to elements in general while showing he's resistant to Toshiro's enhanced ice manip that's possibly absolute zero)

https://imgur.com/a/YiaRYYz

Adult Toshiro should get further justifications for Enhanced Ice manipulation and/or resistance negation as he was able to freeze Gerard to the bone right after Gerard showed he has resistance to Toshiro's Shikai Hyoketsu which is stronger than his Adult form's regular ice manip.

Toshiro Freezing Gerard to the bone after Gerard's resistance was stated twice almost back to back

[https://imgur.com/a/1L7QjyR

Byakuya could potentially have more justification for resistance to absolute zero or low temp for touching Toshiro, but it's arguable since you can say he didn't touch Toshiro long enough, Toshiro was at his limit, or Toshiro actively stopped himself from freezing Byakuya, but it's a form of evidence at least.

https://imgur.com/a/cOj0GaQ
 
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I’ll check this thread out in a while, also; can you try using imgur because some your links don't work
 
That's only for her Vollstandig key.
Lille has it in his base key with a citation to a statement from CFYOW from justification. But like I said as far as stats go I'm just going off of what the profiles already have and who 'should' scale

Speed: At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Liltotto Lamperd believed the Elite Sternritter to be "unrivaled" implying she believes them greater than herself[14]) | At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Faster than before) | At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Should be faster than before)
 
Scales above yoruichi per CFYOW, scales above shunsui per CFYOW etc… he scales above 99% of the character you mentioned in the thread.
Don't quote me on this since it's been a while since I read CFYOW, but I think I vaguely remember Tokinada's Reiatsu being scaled under Aizen in terms of quantity/stamina, but when it came to his Reiatsu in terms of power he was scaled under Shikai Yama. The comparison was something along the lines of Tokinada having more trouble putting the Gotei under KS than Aizen did, but to be fair the Gotei and other people that Tokinada went against was significantly stronger than the Gotei and Visoreds that Aizen used it on.

Then again, it's Base Yoruichi and Base/Shikai Byakuya that scales to Tokinada and not her 3 levels of Shunko and him with Bankai which is what gets them to the schutzstaffel tier iirc. FKT Yoruichi gets her justification for scaling to Urahara who scales to Base Aizen. And Aizen said that he and Urahara were equals before he began to evolve

I just find it a little odd to scale Base Aizen to CFYOW tiers when he's in the same general tier as FKT Urahara, FKT Yoruichi, Striped Mask Ichigo etc when people anyone on the tier of FB Bankai Ichigo should be comfortably above his Striped Mask FKT self, and TYBW/CFYOW Yoruichi and Urahara should be above their FKT selves.

But I guess it wouldn't really matter if Yama scales either way.
 
Don't quote me on this since it's been a while since I read CFYOW, but I think I vaguely remember Tokinada's Reiatsu being scaled under Aizen in terms of quantity/stamina, but when it came to his Reiatsu in terms of power he was scaled under Shikai Yama. The comparison was something along the lines of Tokinada having more trouble putting the Gotei under KS than Aizen did, but to be fair the Gotei and other people that Tokinada went against was significantly stronger than the Gotei and Visoreds that Aizen used it on.

Then again, it's Base Yoruichi and Base/Shikai Byakuya that scales to Tokinada and not her 3 levels of Shunko and him with Bankai which is what gets them to the schutzstaffel tier iirc. FKT Yoruichi gets her justification for scaling to Urahara who scales to Base Aizen. And Aizen said that he and Urahara were equals before he began to evolve

I just find it a little odd to scale Base Aizen to CFYOW tiers when he's in the same general tier as FKT Urahara, FKT Yoruichi, Striped Mask Ichigo etc when people anyone on the tier of FB Bankai Ichigo should be comfortably above his Striped Mask FKT self, and TYBW/CFYOW Yoruichi and Urahara should be above their FKT selves.

But I guess it wouldn't really matter if Yama scales either way.
Yeah you remember a bit wrong, he scales above all of them and by a lot actually.
 
Yeah you remember a bit wrong, he scales above all of them and by a lot actually.
what was the statement or statements? Cuz Base Aizen solidly scales to the same general tier as FKT Urahara, FKT Yoruichi and Striped Masked Ichigo. Urahara being Aizen's equal before he fused with the Hogyoku and can damage his fusion shell, Yoruichi who can also damage the shell with Shunko, and Ichigo the latter who can harm him more than Yama's level 96 Kido did during the moments he wasn't mentally nerfed/resolve shaken and who Aizen acknowledged as strong

And all 3 scale below their post timeskip selves (FB and TYBW arcs)
 
what was the statement or statements? Cuz Base Aizen solidly scales to the same general tier as FKT Urahara, FKT Yoruichi and Striped Masked Ichigo. Urahara being Aizen's equal before he fused with the Hogyoku and can damage his fusion shell, Yoruichi who can also damage the shell with Shunko, and Ichigo the latter who can harm him more than Yama's level 96 Kido did during the moments he wasn't mentally nerfed/resolve shaken and who Aizen acknowledged as strong

And all 3 scale below their post timeskip selves (FB and TYBW arcs)
Again?.... For once, post-proof Urahara got stronger from when Aizen made the statement. There are none. And Ichigo did a fully charged attack when Aizen was off-guard, just cutting his shoulder, aizen then proceed to blitz and call Ichigo weak, there is no scaling at all tbh.

Then it is also stated Yamamoto did not get stronger at all, and aizen tanked a full hado 96 form him which is objectively better than any feat of 90% of the list you mentioned here given it is clearly stated his shikai would ragdoll shunsui and tokinada and he is strongest soul reaper still in base alone.
Then it is stated like 3 times tokinda would have won if he had aizen pressure, or yama pressure and hell even shunsui states that aizen would have killed him iirc.
Urahara stated he need aizen level stuff to kill aura, the latter is way stronger than shunsui or tokinada by feats given when she was exhausted was performing a feat shunsui said it was needed zaraki to perform (stop the paalce to fall). and there is no concept of quantity over quality in bleach, just something you think it is a thing, when it is not.

So yeah, shinigami aizen scales massively above actually the likes of tokinada or shunsui, it is kinda common knowledge here.
 
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Not to mention the multiple comparisons between Barragan and Grimmjow which are still a thing, and grimmjow clearly admits also he is still far away from Aizen in CFYOW. And grimmjow scales in the same ballpark of shunsui in CFOWY.

and FB Ichigo is also >> grimmjow, shunsui etc...
 
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Urahara stated he need aizen level stuff to kill aura, the latter is way stronger than shunsui or tokinada by feats given when she was exhausted was performing a feat shunsui said it was needed zaraki to perform (stop the paalce to fall). and there is no concept of quantity over quality in bleach, just something you think it is a thing, when it is not.
Urahara compared her mastery over fullbring abilities to Aizen's mastery over Shinigami combat
 
Again?.... For once, post-proof Urahara got stronger from when Aizen made the statement. There are none. And Ichigo did a fully charged attack when Aizen was off-guard, just cutting his shoulder, aizen then proceed to blitz and call Ichigo weak, there is no scaling at all tbh.

Then it is also stated Yamamoto did not get stronger at all, and aizen tanked a full hado 96 form him which is objectively better than any feat of 90% of the list you mentioned here given it is clearly stated his shikai would ragdoll shunsui and tokinada and he is strongest soul reaper still in base alone.
Then it is stated like 3 times tokinda would have won if he had aizen pressure, or yama pressure and hell even shunsui states that aizen would have killed him iirc.
Urahara stated he need aizen level stuff to kill aura, the latter is way stronger than shunsui or tokinada by feats given when she was exhausted was performing a feat shunsui said it was needed zaraki to perform (stop the paalce to fall). and there is no concept of quantity over quality in bleach, just something you think it is a thing, when it is not.

So yeah, shinigami aizen scales massively above actually the likes of tokinada or shunsui, it is kinda common knowledge here.
Every character in the series gets stronger after life or death scenarios. https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/Bleach_60_17.jpg

This holds true even in the TYBW and was abused by Kenpachi, as well as shown with Toshiro pre and post zombie having trouble with Bazz B to fighting Gerard, Izuru post revival who can take out a Sternritter, Kensei pre and post zombie going from losing to Base Mask to being able to stomp Vollstandig Pepe with just a barrage of punches, Kyoraku who went from being relative to Robert to smacking Lille etc. Even Urahara saying that he couldn't interfere in FB Bankai Ichigo and Quilge's battle and implying he couldn't get through Quilge's blut, getting into a life or death situation with Quilge and Grimmjow to then being able to fight Vollstandig Askin while being nerfed by poison.

The Ichigo that Aizen called weak and blitzed was the Ichigo that first arrived in FKT and tried to hit Aizen's neck but hit his kido barrier. He was scared to go into hollowfication and when Aizen baited him into doing it, that's when he got blitzed and called weak. Later on after Yama fought Aizen, that's when Ichigo wasn't resolve nerfed and was able to cut Aizen which made Aizen call Ichigo's power magnificent and prompted Aizen to say this is the power he was developing Ichigo to get to by developing his hollow powers etc.

And Quantity vs Quality is a thing. Ichigo in the first chapter/episode had enough spiritual energy in terms of quantity to drown out Fishbone D and overwhelm Rukia but he got folded by Fishbone D before he got Rukia's power stacked onto what he already had. And later on when he and Uryu fought the Menos, again it was stated that Ichigo has a massive quantity of Reiatsu that he always has going at full blast at all times that shocked Uryu, but when it came to his 'power level' he and Uryu were relative. Same thing in the Arrancar arc when Ichigo at the beginning of the arc had more Reiatsu than base Ulq at his peak, but potency wise didn't scale to base Ulq until basically when FKT started, and he needed his Mask to scale when Ulq got serious. There's also Kenpachi having more reiatsu than most of the captains but not being able to access it subconsciously, as the literal amount as far as quantity that he had as a kid to an adult wasn't inherent, but how much potency/quality was nerfed severely. Same with Ukitake having more Reiatsu than every captain but not the potency as for the longest he's relative to Kyoraku. It's not something the series ever explicitly says, but Kubo doesn't spoonfeed everything to the reader.

Aizen ofc has quantity and quality, but in that specific example, if I remember right it talked about how much Reiatsu it drains to be able to use Kyoka Suigetsu on so many people for long periods of time and weaknesses Tokinada could have compared to Aizen who's weaknesses were nonexistent in comparison. And then when talking about raw power, Yama was the example used. And iirc, it was specifically noted in a databook or something that Yama has poor stamina despite us knowing he has more Reiatsu potency than Shinigami Aizen.

And you say Shini Aizen scales above them, but Urahara and Yoruichi in their FKT keys scale to Shinigami Aizen and downscale from Chrysalis Aizen with their TYBW profiles being relative to or above those forms in addition to having 2 higher tiers of Shunko for Yoruichi and Bankai for Urahara. And Tokinada has scaling justifications to Ginjo who's stronger than Shinigami Aizen. Kubo even hinted that Kyoraku's Bankai could've done something to Shinigami Aizen but I won't push for that argument since he left it ambiguous on purpose.

And again, Tokinada at his full power scales to all these characters who aren't at full power. Base Yoruichi, Base or Shikai Byakuya, Shikai Kyoraku etc. It's just he has hax and abilities to deal with people on his level and stronger. Like Aura and Raged out Bankai Ginjo despite not scaling to them at all. And it was stated that Tokinada got hit with several lethal blows that would've killed him if it wasn't for Hantaro's ability. Aizen's KS being an ability that could deal with stronger people, like Tokinada with some of the people there and Aizen himself with Yama and Yhwach. As long as Aizen scales enough to hurt and damage you, he can kill you even if you scale above him.

Either way, Yama scales to Royd in terms of speed as Royd could block him while off guard and he couldn't tag Royd in melee once he was on guard while Yama was bloodlusted and more than likely rage amped. And if Royd gets scaling above Liltotto, Yama and Aizen would scale as well.
 
Either way, Yama scales to Royd in terms of speed as Royd could block him while off guard and he couldn't tag Royd in melee once he was on guard while Yama was bloodlusted and more than likely rage amped. And if Royd gets scaling above Liltotto, Yama and Aizen would scale as well.
Im not going to be rude with you, I tried to explain multiple times, but the fact that you doubt the scaling of Aizen and Yama above a fodder like Liltotto despite the author literally told you on CFYOW they are way stronger, making headcanon bringing up quantity and death boost never mentioned whatsoever for 90% of the characters, just mean you have no clue about the real scaling.
 
Im not going to be rude with you, I tried to explain multiple times, but the fact that you doubt the scaling of Aizen and Yama above a fodder like Liltotto despite the author literally told you on CFYOW they are way stronger, making headcanon bringing up quantity and death boost never mentioned whatsoever for 90% of the characters, just mean you have no clue about the real scaling.
I brought up examples from the series itself about my points. Just because Kubo writes by showing and not telling and makes you read between the lines without spoonfeeding doesn't mean it's headcanon lmao. You ask me to post proof, I posted it, both from the series itself and also mentioned how the profiles scale weaker versions of Urahara and Yoruichi to Shinigami and Chrysalis Aizen. You didn't say anything but repeating what you said earlier, which was already addressed.

Only thing I didn't bring up was you mentioning the Grimmjow and Barragan comparisons and saying he scales to CFYOW Kyoraku, which doesn't make sense at all since Pre Timeskip Kyoraku scales to Starrk who's above Barragan. CFYOW Kyoraku >= TYBW Kyoraku >>> FKT Shikai Kyoraku ~ Starrk > Barragan. The profiles have Grimmjow scaling above Barragan because his feats contradict the statements, but if you think it's inaccurate I can't change it, you could make a thread.

Also, I never said I don't think Aizen and Yama scale above Liltotto, idk where you got that from. All I did was separate the scaling from who directly scales to and above the Quincy Elites from who should most likely or definitely scale above them but don't have and direct scaling. And I added Aizen to that list before we started going back and forth on the CFYOW scaling
 
my question is how do the quincies not scale to ichigos true shikai speed? i get he wasnt 100% serious but they were outpacing him and catching him alot when he was tyrnna get to juha
 
my question is how do the quincies not scale to ichigos true shikai speed? i get he wasnt 100% serious but they were outpacing him and catching him alot when he was tyrnna get to juha
Probably because Soul King Yhwach scales absurdly above them, and Ichigo when fully powered up could react to and fight Yhwach's dark Reiatsu which can cross the distance from the SK Palace to the Seireitei in seconds. To put it into perspective, Ichigo before he powered up took 9 hours to cross that distance. Granted it's Ichigo's travel speed vs combat speed, but 9 hours vs a few seconds when Bleach somewhat bridges combat with travel speed with Shunpo and it's confirmed Ichigo was using Shunpo for the travel feat-...
 
7.) Base Aizen for scaling to Yama and potentially to certain CFYOW characters.
He certainly doesn't scale to yama, as even without his zanpakuto, he was no match for yama (stated).
However, he 100% scales above a lot of CFYOW characters. Nevertheless, I would simply wait for Arc7Kuroi to make his revisions.
 
Don't agree. Royd Lloyd beats most of the Schutzstaffel handily, and he wasn't there.
Based on what? Royd is weaker than Gremmy based on Gremmy being considered the strongest Sternritter even when Royd was alive, and the SS were stated to be unparalleled among the Quincy in CFYOW (referencing when the Sternritter were a complete unit, not post war as the elites are all dead besides Uryu)

Scaling to Yama doesn’t mean he scales above the second invasion and CFYOW Gotei in terms of speed. Yama’s main claim to fame in the manga and novels is his Zanpakuto and it’s offensive power which was noted specifically by Aizen, Yhwach, and either the narrator or Kyoraku in the novel
 
He certainly doesn't scale to yama, as even without his zanpakuto, he was no match for yama (stated).
However, he 100% scales above a lot of CFYOW characters. Nevertheless, I would simply wait for Arc7Kuroi to make his revisions.
Unless you mean a data book statement idk about, Aizen specifically stated that Yama was superior in terms of his zanpakuto and it’s offensive power. We even see Aizen take a level 90+ Hado from Yama with little to no damage, but was worried about Yama’s Shikai flames hitting him

Aizen shouldn’t scale above that many of the TYBW and CFYOW High 6-A’s as some of them scale to people who scale higher than Base Aizen. Keep in mind people like Striped Mask Ichigo, Isshin, FKT Urahara and FKT Yoruichi (the latter 2 of whom are weaker than their TYBW selves) scale to Base Aizen via Ichigo damaging him and Urahara being stated to be equal to pre Hogyoku Aizen in terms of power, as well as all besides Ichigo damaging his stronger forms durability

What revision is arc making and when
 
Scaling to Yama doesn’t mean he scales above the second invasion and CFYOW Gotei in terms of speed. Yama’s main claim to fame in the manga and novels is his Zanpakuto and it’s offensive power which was noted specifically by Aizen, Yhwach, and either the narrator or Kyoraku in the novel
He's also better at all the shinigami arts than everyone, and no one in the gotei surpassed him at any of them, which includes shunpo.
 
Unless you mean a data book statement idk about, Aizen specifically stated that Yama was superior in terms of his zanpakuto and it’s offensive power. We even see Aizen take a level 90+ Hado from Yama with little to no damage, but was worried about Yama’s Shikai flames hitting him
That yama was also literally exhausted
 
Unless you mean a data book statement idk about, Aizen specifically stated that Yama was superior in terms of his zanpakuto and it’s offensive power. We even see Aizen take a level 90+ Hado from Yama with little to no damage, but was worried about Yama’s Shikai flames hitting him

Aizen shouldn’t scale above that many of the TYBW and CFYOW High 6-A’s as some of them scale to people who scale higher than Base Aizen. Keep in mind people like Striped Mask Ichigo, Isshin, FKT Urahara and FKT Yoruichi (the latter 2 of whom are weaker than their TYBW selves) scale to Base Aizen via Ichigo damaging him and Urahara being stated to be equal to pre Hogyoku Aizen in terms of power, as well as all besides Ichigo damaging his stronger forms durability

What revision is arc making and when
Revision for the entire verse and its gonna be somewhere in the summer
 
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