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Black Clover General Discussion thread

Gray has demon slaying magic, hell no

Also Natsu's powernull can burn time itself so I don't think he's concerned about any power modification
But said magic will only strengthen the demon king look at what the ruler does. The ruler is an intrinsic ability it’s not like Natsu can just burn it he didn’t burn the fairy heart or other people internal magic abilities also that was just plot and he had to set his soul on fire for that.
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Just noticed this, have 2v2 always been accepted for matches?
Yeah if they fought together before
 
But said magic will only strengthen the demon king look at what the ruler does. The ruler is an intrinsic ability it’s not like Natsu can just burn it he didn’t burn the fairy heart or other people internal magic abilities also that was just plot and he had to set his soul on fire for that.
"It's just plot" Don't care, he still did it.

If he can burn time, he can burn pretty much anything the verse throws at him.
 
"It's just plot" Don't care, he still did it.

If he can burn time, he can burn pretty much anything the verse throws at him.
But why couldn’t he use his power under water? That was DF or savage fire plus burning his soul did that and it’s not working on the ruler.
 
But why couldn’t he use his power under water? That was DF or savage fire plus burning his soul did that and it’s not working on the ruler.
Because the water prevented the ignition of fire to begin with. Fire forms from a rapid increase in heat, but if it's doused before it can even start, it won't matter what it can burn

However, if fire of Natsu's level is already ignited and set up, the water would evaporate. Such is the case when his Fire Dragon King Mode's heat could evaporate a lake from its sheer heat
 
what is the ruler again?
The Ruler is a magic ability that allows the Demon King to "reverse" all magical attacks and powers effects used against him. All attacks and weakness are converted into healing and fortification. Even the effects of others' powers are completely reversed; per example, when Ban tried to use his Snatch to steal Demon King's strength, he was forced to give his own to the ruler. However, as The Ruler functions on the concept of magic inversion rather than magic absorption, any magic meant to strengthen him or increase his power will instead weaken him, as shown by Ban. Despite this weakness, he can easily overcome it by deactivating his own power.
 
I argued with the entire fandom on wiki and their belief system to get that match to incon. it nearly killed me.
 
If we're being real here, Zeldris doesn't have a prayer against Black Clover, let alone Fairy Tail

Now we just need the NNT fandom to actually accept that as fact
 
If we're being real here, Zeldris doesn't have a prayer against Black Clover, let alone Fairy Tail

Now we just need the NNT fandom to actually accept that as fact
The knights are getting clapped Yami, rill elves and etc only a few characters wouldn’t allow him to solo the verse but the demon king most definitely can once he becomes high 6a.
 
The knights are getting clapped Yami, rill elves and etc only a few characters wouldn’t allow him to solo the verse but the demon king most definitely can once he becomes high 6a.
Yeah no

And then there's Fairy Tail which is just on a whole other level
 
But why couldn’t he use his power under water? That was DF or savage fire plus burning his soul did that and it’s not working on the ruler.
Cause it was Mercphobia's water, the Water Dragon God, who's water is able to neg Fire Magic and Ice Magic, basically anything that can change temperature

It wasn't regular ass water
 
Not seeing someone with Precog is just precog resistance, not really the same as not existing in time itself. While have AT2 can give you the resistance, having it doesn’t give you AT2.
Asta does not exist within the mana flow which is what Lucius uses to predict and manipulate the flow of time.
Shorty got affected by Vanessa's fate manip before.
Vanessa's fate manipulation works by manipulating the laws of the world, and the laws of the world are above and govern mana.
 
Mana it makes up time,
Im not too knowledgeable on BC so I can’t comment on this, but if this is true then he’s not AT2, it’s just a limitation of the ability, doesn’t effect things with no Mana. If someone can manipulate the lifeforms of anything with blood but can’t effect a lifeform with no blood, then it’s not resistance to body manipulation, it’s just a limitation.
 
Im not too knowledgeable on BC so I can’t comment on this, but if this is true then he’s not AT2, it’s just a limitation of the ability, doesn’t effect things with no Mana. If someone can manipulate the lifeforms of anything with blood but can’t effect a lifeform with no blood, then it’s not resistance to body manipulation, it’s just a limitation.
The problem is that everything in the verse has mana, the only exception being Asta and anti magic which are declared as "defects of the world" or go against the "reason of the world". This is not a limitation of the skill but something of Asta's Physiology, which would be nothing more than a blatant Ac type 4
 
Mana it makes up time, it is the fundamental aspect and source of all magic, and magic is everything within the verse

Um nah, that's not quite right, mana doesn't make up time. There are quite a few things in the BC verse not made of mana. Mana doesn't exist in everything however, it is a fundamental energy. Mana is just one of various energies that exist in the world. Also if everything was made of magic, Asta would simply erase anything he touches. Physical objects have been used counter Asta various times. Like when Dante started throwing chunking physical chunks of earth and chunking them at Asta.
 
Im not too knowledgeable on BC so I can’t comment on this, but if this is true then he’s not AT2, it’s just a limitation of the ability, doesn’t effect things with no Mana. If someone can manipulate the lifeforms of anything with blood but can’t effect a lifeform with no blood, then it’s not resistance to body manipulation, it’s just a limitation.

One small correction. Lucius/Julius already has manipulated the flow to anticipate the future if things with no mana. That's how we were introduced to Julius' prediction ability in the first place. Mana doesn't exist everywhere, there are quite a few things that exist in BC that don't have mana. Asta's presence himself just changes things. Moreover, Asta doesn't seem to exist in any other timeline, and Lucius stated he saw tens of thousands of futures.
 
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The problem is that everything in the verse has mana, the only exception being Asta and anti magic which are declared as "defects of the world" or go against the "reason of the world". This is not a limitation of the skill but something of Asta's Physiology, which would be nothing more than a blatant Ac type 4
That doesn’t change what I said, it’s still an ability limitation.
If everything has mana and that’s how he precogs. the future, then things without mana wouldn’t pop up. That’s not AT2, just a limitation. Again, im just going off what you’re saying. My analogy still works here.
Say, a heat tracker that can see every thing that produces heat.
Everything has some form of thermal energy and can be picked up by it, but say, a log or something just happens to not have thermal energy. It won’t be picked up. That doesn’t mean it has resistance to sensing abilities just because of the limitations of this hypothetical tracker.
 
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