Black Clover : Good bye Mftl speed

[BlackLight]

Unrelated (and prob counts as derailment) but I am prob going to be busy so would you like to hear my arguments for abilities like acasualty and make a thread on it if you agree with it since I might not be able to even tho I promised

Yep

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

No, the past mentions are literal. That is why it would be necessary to wait for the RAW of this mention.


As far as I know, that combination of Kanji is the most literal way to refer to the concept of 'Light Speed'.

I'm not sure who told you this but 光速" (kōsoku, speed of light) isn't a disqualifier for being figurative, in the same way when some says as fast as lightning and then someone else proceeds just to point out lightning in isolation is the correct term that refers to literal lightning wouldn't suddenly make it less figurative, what determines if its figurative or hyperbolic is the tone and context of the sentence.

im assuming the person may have confused simile which japanese has a lot of for light alone as a blanket term for figurative language.

now im not saying its figurative, it can also be literal with the right context, just that its a net neutral term until you put it in a context.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I'm not sure who told you this but 光速" (kōsoku, speed of light) isn't a disqualifier for being figurative, in the same way when some says as fast as lightning and then someone else proceeds just to point out lightning in isolation is the correct term that refers to literal lightning wouldn't suddenly make it less figurative, what determines if its figurative or hyperbolic is the tone and context of the sentence.

im assuming the person may have confused simile which japanese has a lot of for light alone as a blanket term for figurative language.

now im not saying its figurative, it can also be literal with the right context, just that its a net neutral term until you put it in a context.

The context was light magic getting reflected off a mirror and it was stated that he couldn’t see it cause it moved at light speed

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I'm not sure who told you this but 光速" (kōsoku, speed of light) isn't a disqualifier for being figurative, in the same way when some says as fast as lightning and then someone else proceeds just to point out lightning in isolation is the correct term that refers to literal lightning wouldn't suddenly make it less figurative, what determines if its figurative or hyperbolic is the tone and context of the sentence.

im assuming the person may have confused simile which japanese has a lot of for light alone as a blanket term for figurative language.

now im not saying its figurative, it can also be literal with the right context, just that its a net neutral term until you put it in a context.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

The context was light magic getting reflected off a mirror and it was stated that he couldn’t see it cause it moved at light speed

thats perfectly fine imo

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

may this just be a case of the characters not drastically getting as fast between story arcs as initially assumed?

 

[GTsek]

I agree, there's nothing to be done here, the entire chapter was based on how strong Morgan is and the reasons for this strength were clearly mentioned: The speed of light in his attacks and movements, and the shadow magic stronger than Yami's that swallowed all attacks. Not satisfied, Tabata still said that Morgen was stronger than Lucius' clones, so the scale of the MFTL calculation is invalid.

 

[Xinsignia1]

I solidly disagree for a few reaso which i'll latee be formatting (just too busy rn irl)

Before this thread is closed, I think there's a substantial counter argument that hasn't even been considered if I may. I realized after my second reread, and no its not "the speed of light is actually higher" however, I think my upcoming argument should be way more consistent with the story.

I'll post in a little bit later today, because as stated earlier, I have an irl endeavor I need to take care of for a few hours. But this is just a request for the mods and OP to not close the thread, until I've at least provides my counter argument for them and the mods to consider, and potentially flip their opinions.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

may this just be a case of the characters not drastically getting as fast between story arcs as initially assumed?

No.they literally have multipliers. And the people they fight are just vastly faster and stronger.

Fight someone,get stronger mid way (surpass thier limits) ,and repeat. To the point that there are literally speed blitzes that happen. Unless we ignore multiple arcs of growth and multipliers,as well as the HUGE differences between the people who fought (literally hundreds of times stronger) it isn’t possible for them to have “not” got that much faster. (Also that same magic that was called lightspeed got stronger/faster and Meroleona called it slow.

 

[Epsilon_R]

A crt not even 12 hours after the chapter released, give us a break....

Going by this statement, that makes Patry and Morgen equals in speed (SoL), with DEP being the fastest at FTL.

BoS Yami, while he sure isn't lightspeed, can still use ki to at least track movements happening at such speeds. (Yes he can still have rel reactions, but that's not my point here)

In episode 156 (Canon episode) Yami is sparring with Mereoleona.
Although she was holding back, Yami stated that "she's faster than my ki can track" and couldn't comprehend how she could possibly move that fast.

To close the speed gap, Yami had to train his Mana Zone mid-battle, until he finally gets on equal footing.

He eventually tagged Mereoleona by learning condensed Mana Zone.

Yet according to this chapter, it took a new transformation, ki and Condensed Mana Zone for Yami to barely block a light speed attack.

This is something Nozel could do 2 years prior, from the same distance and against an FTL attack.

We agreed with Clover that the lightspeed cap is relevant so long as Julius is in his prime, so about 1/2 of the series thus far.

I don't mind discussing the cap for later arcs but not this time, this specific statement just contradicts everything that happened since the Elf Arc.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

@AstaDragon123 you couldn’t wait for the arc to finish or at least first discuss it in discussion general

may this just be a case of the characters not drastically getting as fast between story arcs as initially assumed?

I wish that was the case but they do get considerably faster and faster within a single arc much less between story arcs.

I don’t think one of the strongest in the series will be slightly faster than significantly far weaker mages. Especially when those two mages are light magic users. The consequences to that would be to imply that light magic user patry from beginning of series is just as fast as the strongest character shown right now, light magic user Morgen.

I don’t think a single statement given the context is enough to disqualify everything shown up to this point including other similar statements made for slower characters. It’d look like no progress in speed was made at all despite numerous showings contradicting the narrative.

 

[AstaDragon123]

@AstaDragon123 you couldn’t wait for the arc to finish or at least first discuss it in discussion general

We already know what the latest episode is like, we've already talked about it. And I don't see what's wrong with doing the CRT before the story ends. I think it's also good that we keep the content up to date.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

We already know what the latest episode is like, we've already talked about it. And I don't see what's wrong with doing the CRT before the story ends. I think it's also good that we keep the content up to date.

Yeah sure these are cool reasons but in order not to rush things and make mistakes in judgement, especially for a massive change you’re proposing that will take a while to implement.

It’d be better to get feedback. The statement obviously can’t be accurate for many reasons. One of the most conspicuous one being Yami’s Ki being able to track light speed magic with incredible ease… can’t simply track it anymore at a point where he’s the strongest he ever will be? Yami’s own statements and feats contradict themselves if you take this statement literal.

 

[AstaDragon123]

It’d be better to get feedback. The statement obviously can’t be accurate for many reasons. One of the most conspicuous one being Yami’s Ki being able to track light speed magic with incredible ease… can’t simply track it anymore at a point where he’s the strongest he ever will be?

Ya, I posted a thread and you all come and express your opinions whether you agree or disagree, that's normal.

 

[Hasty12345]

We already know what the latest episode is like, we've already talked about it. And I don't see what's wrong with doing the CRT before the story ends. I think it's also good that we keep the content up to date.

You haven’t done anything wrong, don’t listen to anyone who says otherwise.