Bill vs. Asriel rematch

[Unoriginal_Memes]

One of the most inaccurate verdicts I have ever seen.

 

[Schnee_One]

Neat

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Just stating the obvious.

 

[Dragopentling]

It's like you're actually saying Bill Cipher can more likely win? How?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Everyone do me a favour and downgrade Bill to 9-B for me

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

It's like you're actually saying Bill Cipher can more likely win? How?

With a mix of precog and transmutation. Bill can see entire human lifespans with his precognition so he should easily see everything Asriel will do during the fight (this fight is in no way lasting more than 75 years) and give him an idea of what abilities to use. Mainly to turn Asriel into a tapestry so he can't SAVE/LOAD and leave him that way forever, giving him the win.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And yet Bill couldn't see Mabel about to spray him in the eye or the Grunkles tricking him into his downfall.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Once again PIS. You're just beating a dead horse at this moment. He was able to see when and how Soos died.

 

[Eficiente]

The very first feat of precog his profile mentions seems like something he could always use and take advantage from (the other and the one the profile doesn't mention don't). That said, he's not going to win via that.

I have this doubt; When Asriel uses his Hyper Goner are we all just expecting Bill to not do anything about it and die?

 

[Dragonboi9191]

The very first feat of precog his profile mentions seems like something he could always use and take advantage from (the other and the one the profile doesn't mention don't). That said, he's not going to win via that.
I have this doubt; When Asriel uses his Hyper Goner are we all just expecting Bill to not do anything about it and die?

Can he do anything? If goat erases the dimension... Bill dosn't show being able to escape a dimension getting deathpacitod.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Once again PIS. You're just beating a dead horse at this moment. He was able to see when and how Soos died.

Or maybe it's just not that good or combat applicable.

 

[Eficiente]

Can he do anything? If goat erases the dimension... Bill dosn't show being able to escape a dimension getting deathpacitod.

Well, not only can he escape (Dimensional Travel) but why would he escape if he can just, you know, R-warp the situation to not happen? Or something similar, it's not as if it were an instant move.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Or maybe it's just not that good or combat applicable.

It's reasonable to assume it's PIS because almost the entire episode was PIS (Bill getting harmed by a spray can, getting outpaced by two twelve-year olds, etc.).

 

[Eficiente]

@Unoriginal Memes It's not combat applicable for the most part (as pointed out above) and that is a terrible logic. Don't insist with that.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Asriel can simply use that erasure directly on Bill.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Asriel can simply use that erasure directly on Bill.

It's called Timeline Erasure for a reason. Asriel has nevr shown to erase a physical being, ever.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

I feel like Bill in a lot of circumstances either loses or wins depending on the interpretation someone has on the Wierdmaggedon Trilogy and Journal 3. One may see Bill as an 11D godly character while others see him as a 3D Universal character.

So I completely understand why literally all bill threads are controversial

But yeah Asriel soul Manips or Bill reality warps him to incapacitate him

 

[Eficiente]

Asriel has nevr shown to erase a physical being, ever.

He did something like that as O.Flowey, I myself pointed out the power in a thread, however it doesn't seem at all like he would use that here and not the Hyper Goner.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

But yeah Asriel soul Manips or Bill reality warps him to incapacitate him

I don't see how soul manipulation would put Bill down. Unless you're taking about Azzy's soul absorption, but even then Bill can regenerate from his 2D mind which Asriel has no way of affecting.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It's called Timeline Erasure for a reason. Asriel has nevr shown to erase a physical being, ever.

A timeline is a 4D construct.

If Asriel can erase 4D constructs, he can definitely erase Bill who is a 3D being with 4D power.

 

[Eficiente]

Terrible logic, he uses a move that requires him to do some stuff in orden to use that hax. Seeing dishonesty, lack of logic and the ignorance of information previously given makes me think that this thread is kinda suspicious.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Terrible logic, he uses a move that requires him to do some stuff in orden to use that hax. Seeing dishonesty, lack of logic and the ignorance of information previously given makes me think that this thread is kinda suspicious.

Um, I mean, I don't think there's no rule against bad logic so, dunno what you're suspicious about.

 

[Eficiente]

Um, I mean, I don't think there's no rule against bad logic so, dunno what you're suspicious about.

..Well. Ok. I don't think this thread needs me, it will likely be removed someday.

@CinnabarManx421 Sorry for not answering your comment.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

I mean, bad logic can be DEBUNKED but there's nothing that makes it suspicious, so I just didn't get what you were getting at.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

He's only shown erasing timelines not actual beings. Bill transmutates Asriel into a tapestry, the end.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Also, you still haven't given me a reason as to how Asriel can counter transmutation. Even if Bill's long-term precog isn't combat applicable, the same can't be said for his short-term precog, which would allow Bill to avoid the Hyper Goner by going to another dimension and come right back just to turn hiom into a tapestry.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He's only shown erasing timelines not actual beings. Bill transmutates Asriel into a tapestry, the end.

And I just explained why him erasing timelines means that he could erase Bill.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Also, you still haven't given me a reason as to how Asriel can counter transmutation. Even if Bill's long-term precog isn't combat applicable, the same can't be said for his short-term precog, which would allow Bill to avoid the Hyper Goner by going to another dimension and come right back just to turn hiom into a tapestry.

He just LOADS. DT is broken. Besides, aren't you still conscious after Bill transmutates you?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

It's really tricky, because you have to actively LOAD it's not passive. Can one do that while being incapitated? I know I'm Undertale you can LOAD after death but it's implied that they can actually move and therefore LOAD. It's not like anyone could move their body while being tapestry so I'm not really sure

 

[Sptflcrw]

where is it implied they have to be able to move?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Since when do you need to move your body to LOAD?

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

When Asriel gets transmuted to a tapestry, he won't retain consciousness, meaning he can't SAVE/LOAD. I never said anything about him not being able to do those things if he can't move.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

He just LOADS. DT is broken. Besides, aren't you still conscious after Bill transmutates you?

Only if Bill turns someone into stone/gold. If he turns Asriel into a tapestry, Asriel will lose consciousness and won't be able to SAVE/LOAD.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

If having your entire SOUL destroyed, which is the culmination of ones being and obviously includes the mind, still doesn't stop LOADing, why would transmutation?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Pretty sure you also lose consciousness after you die.

If SAVE & LOAD allows you to come back after dying, then transmutation is useless.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Eh that's true

Either way what are we all doing? This has already been added

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bill can still reality warp Asriel to death. Bill's reality warping is far superior and more versatile than Azzy's. Also Bill starts with reality warping, while Asriel doesn't start with any winning moves. And even then Bill has ways t avoid Azzy's deadliest abilities thanks to precog. Also, only Flowey has been shown to absorb SOULs, which is how he turned into Asriel in the first place.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

When has Bill shown to reality warp people out of existence? Oh yeah never.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

When has Bill shown to reality warp people out of existence? Oh yeah never.

I never said that.

 

[Schnee_One]

Bill can still reality warp Asriel to death. Bill's reality warping is far superior and more versatile than Azzy's. Also Bill starts with reality warping, while Asriel doesn't start with any winning moves. And even then Bill has ways t avoid Azzy's deadliest abilities thanks to precog. Also, only Flowey has been shown to absorb SOULs

You were saying?

Literally the first sentence of your previous post