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  • God of Hyperdeath Asriel and Power of Hope Kratos are being used
  • Speed equalized
  • Starting distance is 10 meters
  • SBA for the rest

Asriel:

Kratos: 4 (GilverTheProtoAngelo, Planck69, chosen, Plants_vs_zombies_fan101)

Incon: 10 (StrymULTRA, KLOL506, Shar122, Pepsimanslover, Qurbonboev, BestMGQScalerEver, Tony di bugalu, AigerTheKing, Kellex, Hecky2222)
 
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I think this is a pretty bad stomp for Power of Hope Kratos.

His entire being, from his physical body down to his soul, mind, luck and concept is protected by and enveloped by Hope, a layered Type 1 concept. So unless the Info 2 EE can interact with and penetrate Hope, it wouldn't affect him.

Furthermore, anything he has would just overcome Asriel's defensive Hax as all of it would destroy his concept at a Type 1 level, something Asriel can't do anything against.

Might be better to change the key.
 
Dosen't asriel just lead with info EE?
Given he didn't do this in the one actual battle he has, I somehow doubt that. He's definitely using that eventually though.

Anyways, Kratos has layered soul magic that covers mind/soul/probability/chaos/life energy/concept (type 1) and is invulnerable to harm on all said levels of existence. He also has all of his powers as a god, which includes Ares's ability to just strip his opponents of their power, as well as his ability to psychically just rip them to shreds and have that damage reflected physically.

Everything else, Kratos just plain resists cause DETERMINATION's timeline shenanigans are just Sisters of Fate's reheated nachos. He legitimately can just watch Asriel swing a sword at him and be lit up by Hope like a matchstick the way Fear Zeus did.
 
I think this is a pretty bad stomp for Power of Hope Kratos.

His entire being, from his physical body down to his soul, mind, luck and concept is protected by and enveloped by Hope, a layered Type 1 concept. So unless the Info 2 EE can interact with and penetrate Hope, it wouldn't affect him.

Furthermore, anything he has would just overcome Asriel's defensive Hax as all of it would destroy his concept at a Type 1 level, something Asriel can't do anything against.

Might be better to change the key.
assuming this is true then I take back what I said
 
Given he didn't do this in the one actual battle he has, I somehow doubt that.
Tbf thats morso due to the fact the one enemy he was fighting had like god tier social influencing and equal DT to him
He's definitely using that eventually though.

Anyways, Kratos has layered soul magic that covers mind/soul/probability/chaos/life energy/concept (type 1) and is invulnerable to harm on all said levels of existence. He also has all of his powers as a god, which includes Ares's ability to just strip his opponents of their power, as well as his ability to psychically just rip them to shreds and have that damage reflected physically.

Everything else, Kratos just plain resists cause DETERMINATION's timeline shenanigans are just Sisters of Fate's reheated nachos.
It's a worse version of that but yeah
 
Doesn't Kratos resist a whole crap ton of powers including Asriel's EE and Passive Paralysis?
 
Tbf what's the answer of Kratos for True Reset, that stuff bypassed Type 1 Acausality.
 
It is genuinely annoying how so many of Kratos's recent matches have just been Info Type 2 checks and nothing else.
 
Given he didn't do this in the one actual battle he has, I somehow doubt that. He's definitely using that eventually though.
Tbf he didn't because Frisk not only already resists that (thanks Chara's feat), but he wanted to keep 'em alive due to mistaking them as Chara. As Omega Flowey when there was not such confusion he lead with EE, js.
 
The information stuff is largely irrelevant here, given Asriel's core win condition is leading with this move against an unknown man vs Kratos just stripping him of his powers with a thought. Or just immolating him with magical flames. Or just poking him.
 
The information stuff is largely irrelevant here, given Asriel's core win condition is leading with this move against an unknown man vs Kratos just stripping him of his powers with a thought. Or just immolating him with magical flames. Or just poking him.
How much in baseline is Kratos? Coz Asriel is infinitely above that.
 
his cm1 invulnerability blocks the EE while he reisists everything else yea
Which way western man
There is no inherent superiority between metaphysical aspects, so we cant say that his invul would protect him from Info Type 2 attacks without feats.

And...given the current invulnerability standards (which now need a mechanic for it to be valid), does Kratos even qualify currently? His description sounds more like resistance to Concept Type 1 and to anything else Zeus has.
 
I think this is a pretty bad stomp for Power of Hope Kratos.

His entire being, from his physical body down to his soul, mind, luck and concept is protected by and enveloped by Hope, a layered Type 1 concept. So unless the Info 2 EE can interact with and penetrate Hope, it wouldn't affect him.

Furthermore, anything he has would just overcome Asriel's defensive Hax as all of it would destroy his concept at a Type 1 level, something Asriel can't do anything against.

Might be better to change the key.
Saying a type 1 concept protection can protect you from info type 2 (something it cant interact with without proof) is pretty NLFy. We'd assume it'd essentially pass over it due to fact they cant interact with each other to properly assert there's any type of defense against it.
 
How much in baseline is Kratos? Coz Asriel is infinitely above that.
I'm not referring to raw power (Asriel comfortably takes that), but that every single one of hits has layered soul magic, that Asriel doesn't resist.
 
His entire being is protected and enveloped by Hope, from his physical body down to his soul. So unless Asriel can interact with that, he shouldn't affect him.
Saying a type 1 concept protection can protect you from info type 2 (something it cant interact with without proof) is pretty NLFy. We'd assume it'd essentially pass over it due to fact they cant interact with each other to properly assert there's any type of defense against it.
My point was that he couldn't interact with Kratos's CM1 in turn, which protects his entire being. Why would Info 2 interact with him?
 
I'm not referring to raw power (Asriel comfortably takes that), but that every single one of hits has layered soul magic, that Asriel doesn't resist.
Yeah, if that's the case then what does Kratos even do if Asriel hits him once?

Also yeah some info on how the Invulnerability works would be nice.
 
His entire being is protected and enveloped by Hope, from his physical body down to his soul. Souls unless Asriel can interact with that, he shouldn't affect him.

My point was that he couldn't interact with Kratos's CM1 in turn, which protects his entire being. Why would Info 2 interact with him?
Because info is a complretely different metaphysical concept that kratos should still have going by wiki standards (basically you need evidence suggesting the cm1 can protect info)
 
Anyways back to my main question

how good is his probability/fate manip

can he just make it to where asriel for whatever reason just chooses not to EE him or is it something else?
 
Yeah, if that's the case then what does Kratos even do if Asriel hits him once?
That's the Invulnerability part.
Also yeah some info on how the Invulnerability works would be nice.
Unsure how to answer this that isn't already on the page. Hope permeates all aspects of his being, physically and otherwise, and essentially renders him untouchable, with Fear Zeus. I suppose I'll rework it later if Invulnerability standards have changed.

Not that it particularly matters regardless. He has far, far too many ways to just render Asriel incapable of attacking him (be it power nullification, layered time stop, and more).
 
Anyways back to my main question

how good is his probability/fate manip

can he just make it to where asriel for whatever reason just chooses not to EE him or is it something else?
Technically, he should have the power of the Fates, but it hasn't been properly implemented yet. As it stands, he has very good resistance to probability manipulation and can directly interact with a character's luck.
 
Technically, he should have the power of the Fates, but it hasn't been properly implemented yet. As it stands, he has very good resistance to probability manipulation and can directly interact with a character's luck.
So by interact are you saying the stuff requires him to hit/make contact with asriel first?
 
This has been argued before in multiple threads before this but when he got the human souls the first thing Asriel did WAS info2 EE and only ever played around with Frisk afterwards because he had a hunch they were his long since dead sibling, Kratos is just a rando to Asriel so i don't see why he'd waste time running the same game he played with Frisk when they have zero personal connection. Not voting but i did wanna say that
 
This has been argued before in multiple threads before this but when he got the human souls the first thing Asriel did WAS info2 EE and only ever played around with Frisk afterwards because he had a hunch they were his long since dead sibling, Kratos is just a rando to Asriel so i don't see why he'd waste time running the same game he played with Frisk when they have zero personal connection. Not voting but i did wanna say that
oh yeah btw why is EE listed as seperate from Omega floweys info t2 now?

is that just a design choice with the profile or is that smth else
 
So by interact are you saying the stuff requires him to hit/make contact with asriel first?
If you mean he has to physically touch Asriel, no. Ares's powers allow him to immolate him with magical fires and remotely inflict psychic damage on a whim.
 
If you mean he has to physically touch Asriel, no. Ares's powers allow him to immolate him with magical fires and remotely inflict psychic damage on a whim.
No I mean launch an attack as in either punch him, use a weapon, or something else of that nature
 
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