Ben 10 - infinite 5D Timestream proposal

[Reiner04]

Also the question, aren't distances between timelines are 5d by default. So is it visual that shows its extend to infinity is not acceptable or timelines embedded in 5d which itself is our standard is not acceptable?

 

[Sus]

oh hell naw

 

[Reiner04]

oh hell naw

Yes

 

[Everything12]

Uh, if I am getting it right then does it mean they have to show 5d on the screen? I mean how is that even possible w/o compaction?

Generally it can't, visuals at best serve as supporting evidence for statements.

Also the question, aren't distances between timelines are 5d by default. So is it visual that shows its extend to infinity is not acceptable or timelines embedded in 5d which itself is our standard is not acceptable?

Nope, lots of users have tried to upgrade cosmologies to 5D by arguing that an area that contains infinite timelines has to be 5D. They have been rejected, it can just be a bigger 4D space even if it contains multiple infinities of universes or timelines.

 

[Reiner04]

Generally it can't, visuals at best serve as supporting evidence for statements.

I am fine with this if visuals itself aren't acceptable.

Nope, lots of users have tried to upgrade cosmologies to 5D by arguing that an area that contains infinite timelines has to be 5D. They have been rejected, it can just be a bigger 4D space even if it contains multiple infinities of universes or timelines.

It cannot? That would be high 3a in that case not 2a. If multiple timelines exist and so the insignificant gaps of 5d so. The point is insignificant 5d aren't low 1c but significant one. And I used visual depiction to show that they are extended to infinite 5d, everything else is our standards to support. Visuals are just to depict length nothing more.

 

[Reiner04]

No verse can use the argument I am using unless they have shown that their timestream or timelines are physically extend to all directions to infinity.

 

[Planck69]

Uh, if I am getting it right then does it mean they have to show 5d on the screen? I mean how is that even possible w/o compaction?

It isn't, which is why you need actual canon explanations and acknowledgement of the cosmology working in that manner. Which isn't presented here at all.

 

[Reiner04]

It isn't, which is why you need actual canon explanations and acknowledgement of the cosmology working in that manner. Which isn't presented here at all.

One line question, are distances between timelines are considered insignificant higher dimensional or not?

 

[Planck69]

The timelines are assumed to be embedded in a higher dimensional space yes but we don't use that for tiering in and of itself.

 

[Reiner04]

The timelines are assumed to be embedded in a higher dimensional space yes but we don't use that for tiering in and of itself.

Eh? Why though? I mean aren't we being entirely ignorent of higher d distances then? And as dt has explained that we do consider it in tiering but it's just that we consider them insignificant as it's unknown how much gap they have between each other.

 

[Reiner04]

So then again, we are again at 5d is present there by default. We can proceed to the length argument now.
That whether it's significant in this case or insignificant.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Saw that comment you left to ultima and knew exactly this thread was coming

Neutral for now

 

[Planck69]

Eh? Why though? I mean aren't we being entirely ignorent of higher d distances then? And as dt has explained that we do consider it in tiering but it's just that we consider them insignificant as it's unknown how much gap they have between each other.

The distance is unknowable i.e. we have no way of knowing whether the distance is 1 cm, 1,000,000,000 megaparsecs or just infinite in most cases.

Not as though it really matters here. A CRT with no canon acknowledgement or explanation of its claims that purely goes off of one's interpretations of images isn't being accepted.

Anyway, I'm heading to sleep so the other staff can pick up from here.

 

[Reiner04]

The distance is unknowable i.e. we have no way of knowing whether the distance is 1 cm, 1,000,000,000 megaparsecs or just infinite in most cases.

So you agree it's 5d by default? Not arguing for the length of it if it's insignificant or significant, that's the argument after you will be clear on it.

 

[Reiner04]

The more clear everyone will be on their statements, the easier it'll be done.

 

[Reiner04]

Not as though it really matters here. A CRT with no canon acknowledgement or explanation of its claims that purely goes off of one's interpretations of images isn't being accepted.

The argument you previously presented stated that their is need to prove that multiverse or timestream is actually are within 5d.
But later on you said that they are embedded in higher dimension.

So only argument should be if the shown 5d space is significant in case of ben 10 or not, there is no mechanics that I need to prove then what were you asking? I am bit confused.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Is the argument that there is infinite distance between each universe being used? I thought I saw something in the OP about it, but wasn't sure.

 

[Reiner04]

Is the argument that there is infinite distance between each universe being used? I thought I saw something in the OP about it, but wasn't sure.

Yes, as per our standards, distances between timelines are insignificant 5d by default unless fiction show that it is significant.
As per visual it is clear that distances between timelines are infinitely bigger.

 

[Reiner04]

Funny enough, I am being asked to prove that or show that these timelines are embedded in higher dimension rather than being asked if the distance is significant.
I mean either our standard is wrong or the ben 10.

I am fine if visuals here aren't considered proof for something as minor as gap between objects or distance between objects but what's with the argument like "these timelines can be in the infinite 4d space"
"Prove that the verse follow the mechanism as fiction can't show 5d space btw timelines on screen and so the space btw timelines that has been shown in the visual is not 5d"

 

[Lovemovies14]

^Yeah you can take your time with this one. At least you got 2-A accepted which is pretty great despite the strict standards on here.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Yes, as per our standards, distances between timelines are insignificant 5d by default unless fiction show that it is significant.
As per visual it is clear that distances between timelines are infinitely bigger.

So infinite distance between universes with infinite universes a 2-A cosmology?

I'm no mathematician or physicist but...
If so that's Infinite^Infinite therefore 5D low 1-C to my understanding...


What's scans support Infinite distances between worlds again?

 

[Reiner04]

So infinite distance between universes with infinite universes a 2-A cosmology?

Universes must be seprate spacetime continuum to qualify for tier 2, second no, infinite distances between those spacetime continuum's would be low 1c as they are default to be embedded in a 5d space axis.

Also infinite universes would be 2a if the gap btw them is insignificant as those universes size in along 5d will be 0 and so those universes own size wouldn't matter but the gap they have.

As gap default is insignificant and unknown, it wouldn't be, you can arrange infinite number of universes within insignificant 5d structure.

Edit :- infinite^infinite or aleph 1 size considering continuum hypothesis is true would be low 1c.

 

[Reiner04]

scans

The scan is length of an object, 5cm of object will be 5 cm in all of dimensions. Regardless if it's vector goes to 2d, 3d. And so the timelines that are shown to branched off physically from a singular main timeline and extends randomly in all directions perpendicular and non parallel as well prove that the space that contains it is actually infinite 5d as our default standards says that timeline is infinite, which you may have seen that in staff discussion of eternal timeline.

 

[Reiner04]

So no one is there left to defend their arguments?
As I have proved that black dimensional space was indeed 5d and just using visual to show that distances are known, no rocket science, so is there anyone to defend?

 

[Reiner04]

Damn if only argument there is that "visuals cannot even be used for something as small as to determine distance between two given objects then make it clear".

 

[Greatsage13th]

Quite interesting

 

[Sus]

If this fr gets accepted

 

[ImmortalDread]

If this fr gets accepted

Ngl, I am waiting for counter-arguments rn

 

[Sus]

Alien x gonna be a minomon victim

 

[Reiner04]

If this fr gets accepted

So far no arguments against it to be 5d, everyone accepted that it's 5d but just as per our tiering system distances between them are unknown.
And I made it clear that if visuals aren't acceptable for something as small as to measure distance between objects then this thread be closed but arguments still came, it means it can be used. So I am still here.

 

[Sus]

So far no arguments against it to be 5d, everyone accepted that it's 5d but just as per our tiering system distances between them are unknown.
And I made it clear that if visuals aren't acceptable for something as small as to measure distance between objects then this thread be closed but arguments still came, it means it can be used. So I am still here.

I mean i don't really care about the entire crt but oh god the amount of Digimon matches im gonna make

 

[Planck69]

...So, why are we acting as though this has been accepted yet? Like I asked before, has anything claimed in this thread even been described within the verse in question?

A "lack of counterpoints" requires a point to be made to begin with and other than arguing from pure visuals and one's own understanding of the tiering system, nothing has been presented here.

 

[Reiner04]

...So, why are we acting as though this has been accepted yet? Like I asked before, has anything claimed in this thread even been described within the verse in question?

A "lack of counterpoints" requires a point to be made to begin with and other than arguing from pure visuals and one's own understanding of the tiering system, nothing has been presented here.

Yes paradox discribed I linked above that video

 

[Reiner04]

Lemme quote what paradox said:

"Think of time and space as this tree, down here you're ten years old, right here you're now, up here you're 30 years old, the trunks in the main timeline, these branches represent alternate realities where reality literally branches off and become a different timeline, each containing it's own ben Tennyson".

And that's what we literally seen in the visual.

 

[Planck69]

That describes the nature of the multiverse and its many possibilities existing as timelines yes. Where you got Low 1-C from that, I have no idea.

 

[Reiner04]

That describes the nature of the multiverse and its many possibilities existing as timelines yes. Where you got Low 1-C from that, I have no idea.

As what has been discribed, it is clear that it support the visuals, yes. Proceeding that tier 2 is embedded in a higher dimension, yes. Distance between the timelines is unknown as you said above. I agree. In case of ben 10 as visuals has been supported, I'll be using it and alternate timelines that extends randomly perpendicular and non parallel to the main timeline in all of 5d space, it is very clear that distances between timelines or space in which they are embedded is no insignificant but are significant upto infinite.

 

[Lovemovies14]

Reiner, can you add me to the agree list.

 

[Sus]

Disagree, this isn't low 1C and idk why does the distance between timelines matter in case of tier 1

 

[Reiner04]

Disagree, this isn't low 1C and idk why does the distance between timelines matter in case of tier 1

Because, that is pretty much explained by everyone here.

The distance is unknowable i.e. we have no way of knowing whether the distance is 1 cm, 1,000,000,000 megaparsecs or just infinite in most cases

The timelines are assumed to be embedded in a higher dimensional space yes but we don't use that for tiering in and of itself.

 

[Sus]

the unknown distance is the reason why we can't quantify the multiplier to destroy 2 universes instead of 1

Having infinite distance between universes doesn't actually matter for tier 1, and planck literally said that it doesn't fit the tiering system

At best this would prove alien x above baseline 2A due to the distance