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Common misconception, higher-volume spaces only need to proven to be non-compactified to qualify. Basically infinitely more (hyper)volume means infinitely more energy needed to destroy said construct.
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Ben 10 Hyperversal upgrade
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I would say so, I guess that the "higher the rank, the more" is on its own a way that the translator used to imply a conditional. There are many ways to try to translate that line, so I think that was just thought to be one of them (Most of them wouldn't think in the very nuanced way that is...
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Means theirs infinitely more stuff to destroy, which would require more energy to destroy a cosmology structure of said size, and require greater range to effect a significant area of a being with those extra dimensions.
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Okay, then I agree
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Direction: “a course along which someone or something moves.”
Wouldn’t it qualify? Usually they give you the example of an ant traveling in small circles when explaining string theory. The ant is still moving in a certain direction.
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Yeah I’m pretty sure that even if the 26 dimensions here formed a Calabi-Yau manifold that the resulting hypervolume due to the dimensions being infinite would be the same as if those dimensions didn’t form a Calabi-Yau manifold.
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They don't provide Higher-Dimensional Existence, the dimensions needs to be of significant size as Higher-Dimensional Existence is to ability to shrug off lower dimensional abilities by being so big the abilities can't affect a significant enough area.
If the 26 dimensions are akin to a manifold then they won't be applicable for Tier 1 as they neither do that, or make the cosmology bigger enough that it takes more energy to destroy it. All such dimensions mean, is that it would require greater precision to be able to affect them because of their smaller size, which is neither Higher-Dimensional Existence or Tier 1 worthy.
If the 26 dimensions are akin to a manifold then they won't be applicable for Tier 1 as they neither do that, or make the cosmology bigger enough that it takes more energy to destroy it. All such dimensions mean, is that it would require greater precision to be able to affect them because of their smaller size, which is neither Higher-Dimensional Existence or Tier 1 worthy.
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Cough cough..
Contumelia
The Contumelia are a fifth-dimensional alien race of neutral, cosmos-travelling "observers", and the original creators of the Annihilarrgh. Tier: Unknown, at least 1-C, likely 1-B with Technology Name: Contumelia Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Inapplicable Age: Inapplicable. Exist beyond time...
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Those aren't manifolds.
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Welp. insignificant they're has been known since years as they're lumped up in same kind of dimensions as 26D mentioned by naljians.
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That wasn't relevant to manifolds not being applicable for HDE themselves, but that wasn't a topic relevant to this thread. I'm just going to do us all a favour and say that any unrelated topics stop here.
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Contumelia
The Contumelia are a fifth-dimensional alien race of neutral, cosmos-travelling "observers", and the original creators of the Annihilarrgh. Tier: Unknown, at least 1-C, likely 1-B with Technology Name: Contumelia Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Inapplicable Age: Inapplicable. Exist beyond time...
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If they’re not manifolds and they’re accepted to have 5D existence, then why aren’t they Low 1-C?
Edit: Just saw the above comment, yeah it probably doesn’t matter too much for now.
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Probably because of that note at the bottom of their profile I'd wager.
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I’ll edit the OP with extra evidence and the votes in a bit.
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Can someone ping some mods for the love of god
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Watching the scene again, the upgrade seems fine. Yes, it's a singular scene across most of the continuity. No, that's not grounds for dismissing what's being said there.
When the Naljian talks about how humans can only perceive "only" 3 dimensions, she's pretty clearly talking about spatial dimensions like up-down, left-right, and forwards-backward. When Ben asks for clarification on how many dimensions there are, he's still referencing what she just said, so they're still talking about dimensions of the same nature. I'm not sure what this "we're not sure what they mean" rhetoric is about. There are more than 3 spatial dimensions (the ones humans can perceive) and at least 26 based on piecing together the conversation's basic sequence. Given that these are specific directions they're talking about, the Omniversal Force extending endlessly throughout every direction would apply as well.
I'm not sure who or what would scale but the the cosmology being Hyperversal seems good to me.
When the Naljian talks about how humans can only perceive "only" 3 dimensions, she's pretty clearly talking about spatial dimensions like up-down, left-right, and forwards-backward. When Ben asks for clarification on how many dimensions there are, he's still referencing what she just said, so they're still talking about dimensions of the same nature. I'm not sure what this "we're not sure what they mean" rhetoric is about. There are more than 3 spatial dimensions (the ones humans can perceive) and at least 26 based on piecing together the conversation's basic sequence. Given that these are specific directions they're talking about, the Omniversal Force extending endlessly throughout every direction would apply as well.
I'm not sure who or what would scale but the the cosmology being Hyperversal seems good to me.
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Already did, now we wait.
TWILIGHT-OP
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I am neutral here inclined to agree
e12 already did
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If its really going to happen so that rule about Ben 10 will be removed ?
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If the upgrade passes then obviously it will be removed.
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Bud did this because alien x lost to xeno goku
Btw neutral leaning towards agreeing
Btw neutral leaning towards agreeing
f-u-c-k it I agree
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Thank you for your input Planck, I'll wait with scaling for a bit. Directly scaling people to the Omniversal Force's AP is a no-go for me. More indirect methods can be discussed.
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The Naljians themselves still shouldn't be hyperversal when this is over, so we'll probably need a new rule.
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She doesn't mention them being spatial-temporal. She just says that there's 26 that matter. Though I guess you could argue that it means 26 geometric dimensions contextually
This is followed and proceed by him acknowledging the futility of his hatred towards Ben. Its not really a usable quote for size in my mind.
For the thread such an upgrade has no supporting evidence for higher dimensions and there's already a discussion rule about this topic. I'm not really for it.
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For clarification, 26D just has as much evidence as much 5D of Ben 10 does. Latter is accepted as hde by us since long.
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If they have the same amount of evidence then HDE should also be removed then. Since you're arguing both are wrong.
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A lil bit of clarification again, naljians statement has been accepted as hde but was thought to be of insignificant size. That's why 5D is accepted but not qualitatively. This thread is arguing they're of significant size.
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I share a similar sentiment.
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Disagree FRA
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From the looks of it, perceiving more than 3 spatial dimensions is related to intelligence. This concept is brought back with Ultimate Albedo where his increased intelligence allows him to perceive more, going past some levels of space.
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Here and there are many related to them.
Contumelia range upgrade
Hey everyone, quick Ben 10 CRT. The Contumelia are fifth dimensional beings as already indicated on their page. Their range is currently listed as unknown. Their range should be low complex multiversal and the range of things that interact with them should be low complex multiversal as well...
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If Sonic could indeed get tier 1 with mere statements of all axises of a given number of spatial dimensions being infinite, then 1-B seems fine to me given the precedents, do note that this case may be a bit vague, however, so I'd rather wait for staff input before fully casting my vote.
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Yeah no, one singular, non-contradicted statement that emphasises on the spatial dimensions aka 3D, 4D, 5D all the way until 26D has no reason to be dismissed, the counter-arguments provided are as the supporters say, heavy unquantified mental gymnastics to reject the upgrade. The opponents have to provide evidence on their end why those dimensions aren’t spatial, why those dimensions don’t qualify besides the ”they didn’t clarify what they meant” argument (which is VERY flimsy btw), otherwise those arguments can be obliterated by Hitchem’s Razor.
I agree with the upgrade
I agree with the upgrade
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I wonder how many verses this can upgrade
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Bruh don’t derail
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