Prove he can do that or that the Ben 10 verse works like that, regular time travel just rewrites the same timeline if no loops are involved. Paradox hasn't shown any creation abilities.
Actually Qawsed means that they just rebooted NW ben timeline to match the prime timeline. But since timetravel don't cause creation of timelines in ben 10, I don't know.
That wouldn't make sense since that timeline doesn't have an Omnitrix.
Well... Yeah. Let's just have patience for now and wait (2 days more patient I'm).
But wouldn't that be impossible since the prime Ben's timeline was destroyed? From my understanding the CTB destroyed every timeline where Ben exists including Ben 10 Primes timeline wouldn't that mean that the Past Present and future of Ben Prime timeline was also destroyed? Which means it would be impossible for them too travel back in time where Ben was 10 years old
Vilgax destroyed every timeline where Ben got the Omnitrix, which is why NWB wasn't effected. Since NWB wasn't effected all they did was go back and introduce the Omnitrix to him and everything reset itself.
I already did. They literally travel into the past and recreated the entire multiverse. It didn't solve the problem however, as by proxy Vilgax's plan to kill all the Bens was also reset and they had to stop it.
NW Universe itself doesn't have Omnitrix as told by paradox in beginning while other had. Like argit Omnitrix timeline, Ben 23, zombie, Gwen 10.
This is true. but this
is not make sure...That's not what you said tho at first. You said that they went to Prime Ben's timeline and then went back in time now you're changing and saying that they went back in time in NWB timeline but the thing is, is that NWB timeline doesn't have the omnitrix if I remember correctly also how would they get an omnitrix(the prototype omnitrix in particular) when every timeline where Ben gets the omnitrix is destroyed.
Well that's true since in his timeline the omnitrix doesn't exist at all so my question still stands and remains unanswered?
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The episode shows then just redoing the first episode of Ben 10 and they launch the Omnitrix at Earth and guide it to Prime Ben who gets it. Causing history to reset itself because everything rebranched.
I thought you agreed with Paradox traveling to a different version of the Ben Prime timeline, but apparently you don’t? What I was saying was in relation to that.
Yet Vilgax explicitly wiped it out
Actually, this Universe never had the Omnitrix while all other had. So resetting it will not bring Omnitrix.... Unless paradox did off screen stuff and forced azmuth to create one.
Don’t even see how Paradox can force Azmuth to do anything, especially if he’s in a pessimistic mood, heck wouldn’t that immediately impact No Watch Ben’s memories as well?
NWB still branched off from Prime Ben, as he's called an off-shoot of that Prime Ben.
No Watch Ben’s branching happens before the creation of the Omnitrix though, so the cut-off point would be before the point Paradox travels to.
Since I'm at work I won't be able to respond properly. When I get home I'll compose my thoughts into a larger comment to explain my points and I hope it's easier to get my point across.
Sure, no problem, this is a really complex topic. Maybe include a drawing as well if you can so we can indicate things on it.
Blue line = NW timeline, divergence occurred at point R from where it was decided if Omnitrix will exist or not.
Uuuuhh to me, that diagram you drew simply looks like a normal, ordinary, linear progression of time and branching multiverse. Not sure how it shows a new direction of time.
There is no "going back to the root of the tree that caused all the branches" because Ben 10 Prime Timeline Was destroyed you cannot go to a "place" that doesn't exist its impossible for them too go back too where Ben gets the omnitrix in the first place(to start the branching again of the timelines) since the entire timeline was erased.
Dw, It is normal timestream, not the Hypertimeline progression of it. This order of branching is to show that it's impossible to reboot NW ben timeline in a way that it branches out all other ben realities. Hence, there have to be a past version of CTB affected Timestream that should have all of timestream still intact in order for paradox to be capable of time travelling there.
That's literally a branch origin. Random chance.
Alright, so this is my disagreement.
NWB was stuck in a void outside his universe even before the first episode ended due to time shennigans.
Paradox did states to go back to the beginning but are we forgetting that they're not time travelling but rather Crosstime travelling, Crosstime in the verse is specifically used for different versions of history, not regular history, they have been Crosstime travelling which should be impossible, they travelled to beginning version of the Crosstime.
Which still involves them going back to the trunk of the multiverse, the same trunk that still canonically exists because NWB branched from it.
He doesn't need to, because as soon as Prime Ben got the watch, per Paradox's own words, the entire timestream was rebooted. Meaning the changes happened retroactively as well.
Prime Timeline had to exist up until NWB split from it. Until that happened Prime Ben would still be there, its just that the only future possible was NWB.
Correction. Different version of the multiverse. Since time travel sends u to your history while Crosstime sends u to the differen version of your history. Your point relies on time travel which didn't happened, my point relies on crosstime travel which did happened.
But divergence doesn't reply on Ben prime getting the Omnitrix at all, it's caused by possibilities. It was all the part of Ben prime timeline for ben to get the Omnitrix, it's a trunk of ben Tennyson tree from which all other realities diverge, doesn't means they went there for divergence but just to reboot prime timeline to as it should be and as was done. Ben 23 is literally independent of the events of Ben prime getting the Omnitrix, same with Gwen 10 and any other evil ben. NW timeline never had a Omnitrix in the first place so there was no fight btw vilgax and all in the space.
It's still time travel within the same multiverse space. Ben 10,000 returns makes that rather clear:
It's just basic time travel and branching timelines. Nothing special is going on, it just uses its own term.
Yes, but those possibilities branch off from a trunk as Paradox explained. Vilgax destroyed all possibilities other than Ben doesn't get the Omnitrix, and when Ben got Ben Prime the omnitrix the timestream rebooted itself.
It's easily possible that in this timeline Vilgax just nuked the Omnitrix on accident and it was permanently lost.
Noted.
How do you explain NW Ben being alive if the Prime Ben timeline was destroyed? The answer is simple.
If Vilgax continuum is pre decided regardless what happens in the past, as we know all of timeline events already exist (Prime ben, vilgax, ben 10000), as they are all under continuum (which literally means series of snapshots), I don't know how past or any other timelines even co-existing with vilgax continuum, that's a red flag to the change of anything in the past.
Once Vilgax deletes time it's an Immeasurable speed reaction. It retroactively applies and destroys everything else. When they reboot the timeline it also sets a timelimit on when Vilgax will kill all the other Bens. A second time axis isn't needed for any of this, as its temporal manipulation in the first place.
