"Ben 10! Additional abilities/some replacements for clockwork, eon and Ben Tennyson"

[Firestorm808]

ok here's some explanation/example you asked for:

Immortality Type 6 (Parasitic):
Eon can be described as having type 6 immortality due to his ability to transfer his consciousness or essence into other bodies, especially evidenced by the fact that he was able to maintain his personality in the DNA collected by the Omnitrix. This power to influence or even dominate Ben's mind shows that he is able to "parasitize" other bodies, retaining their essence and possibly transferring himself to a new host.

- Example: In Ben 10: Race Against Time, Eon maintains his influence even after being defeated, possessing Ben by using the collected DNA. This demonstrates that he can "abandon" a destroyed body and survive in another, which characterizes type 6 immortality.

Eon possesses Type 6 (Parasitic) immortality due to his ability to manipulate matter and DNA, allowing him to transfer his essence into other mediums to survive. This is shown when he integrates his DNA into the Omnitrix, creating a bond with Ben. Even after its destruction, he tries to dominate Ben, transforming him into a version of himself.

This form of immortality occurs because Eon does not depend on his original body. He "abandons" his destroyed body and uses the Omnitrix or other vehicles as a host, ensuring his survival and return. His ability to migrate his consciousness and influence is a direct example of the concept of Immortality type 6 .

Isn't this similar to Zs'Skayr where all members of his race have their consciousness genetically bonded to their DNA.

I suppose it technically counts but it only works on beings that can use his DNA in the first place. I'll need a second opinion.

 

[jgms2008]

Isn't this similar to Zs'Skayr where all members of his race have their consciousness genetically bonded to their DNA.

I suppose it technically counts but it only works on beings that can use his DNA in the first place. I'll need a second opinion.

ok but what do you think about replacing Ben's intelligence

 

[Firestorm808]

ok but what do you think about replacing Ben's intelligence

Did you revise the OP to include the source links?

 

[jgms2008]

Did you revise the OP to include the source links?

"Yes, I have already reviewed and included the source links in the post.

 

[jgms2008]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

Intelligence: Academically gifted, an extraordinary genius in general terms, creativity, and combat.

Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,[1] and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.

Ben being gifted is fine.

I don't see how he meets the Extraordinary Genius requirements.

 

[Emerald]

I don't see how he meets the Extraordinary Genius requirements.

Outsmarting people that can predict months in advance, characters that are supergenius in combat say that he is unpredictable, figured how to use the omnitrix in such a way that Azmuth didn't even think of

 

[jgms2008]

Intelligence: Academically gifted, an extraordinary genius in general terms, creativity, and combat.

Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,[1] and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.

Ben being gifted is fine.

I don't see how he meets the Extraordinary Genius requirements.

Yes, he doesn't really fit the bill of extraordinary genius, but I do believe that he is an extraordinary genius in combat and creativity, even if he doesn't reach that level in general academic or scientific terms. Ben consistently demonstrates adaptive intelligence and creativity on a high level. He uses the Omnitrix in ways that even Azmuth, its creator, had not thought of, and overcomes enemies that are admittedly stronger or more experienced. His success against Vilgax, Vulkanus, Albedo, and even beings like Eon shows that he thinks and ages strategically in high-pressure situations.

While he is not an academic genius from a young age, we see him evolve as an adult, developing his own Omnitrix system and even performing specific fusions for specific results. This suggests that his genius may not be as great as that of an Azmuth, but it is far from limited. He is extraordinary at what he does best: improvising, adapting, and overcoming, especially in combat and creative situations."

 

[Firestorm808]

extraordinary genius in combat and creativity

What are the requirements of "extraordinary genius in combat and creativity"?

 

[jgms2008]

What are the requirements of "extraordinary genius in combat and creativity"?

To define someone as an 'extraordinary genius in combat and creativity', I believe the following criteria can be used:

Rapid Adaptation: Being able to quickly analyze a combat situation and adjust one's approach to deal with unexpected threats or adversarial conditions. Creative Use of Skills and Tools: Demonstrating the ability to use skills, powers, or equipment at one's disposal in innovative and unconventional ways. Proven Prowess: Repeatedly performing remarkable feats, outmaneuvering more powerful or intelligent adversaries through ingenuity and determination. Advanced Situational Awareness
Having a broad view of the environment, understanding not only the enemy's actions, but also how the scenario can be used for strategic gain. Improvisational Ability
Instantly adapting to changes on the battlefield, such as loss of resources, allies, or other unexpected conditions. Combat Innovation
Creating novel strategies or approaches, whether to defeat enemies or overcome obstacles. Problem Solving Under Pressure
Thinking quickly and finding innovative solutions in situations of immediate risk. Creative Use of Tools and Environment
Use what is available in unexpected ways to turn the tide of battle. Versatility in Different Scenarios
Demonstrate effectiveness in a variety of combat situations, whether hand-to-hand, with weapons, or in strategic conflicts. Consistency in Accomplishments
Repeatedly demonstrate intelligence and creativity in a variety of situations. Ability to Learn Quickly
Learn from your mistakes and apply lessons learned immediately.

 

[DemonicDude]

What are the requirements of "extraordinary genius in combat and creativity"?

But there is no such thing as Extraordinary Genius in combat and Creativity department.
This is the only page we have.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a word that is incredibly difficult to define, as it has been used to refer to many things, such as one's ability to process information, or their capacity for logic, self-awareness, creativity, reasoning, and/or problem solving, or their knowledge and memory. In its fullest...

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The term Extraordinary genius does not have it's own separate page. So it's requirements are whatever's mentioned on the intelligence page.

 

[jgms2008]

But there is no such thing as Extraordinary Genius in combat and Creativity department.
This is the only page we have.

Intelligence

Intelligence is a word that is incredibly difficult to define, as it has been used to refer to many things, such as one's ability to process information, or their capacity for logic, self-awareness, creativity, reasoning, and/or problem solving, or their knowledge and memory. In its fullest...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The term Extraordinary genius does not have it's own separate page. So it's requirements are whatever's mentioned on the intelligence page.

and then it seems that Ben's intelligence is really Gifted since it doesn't really exist on the page

 

[Emerald]

EG for combat can be achieved we have a bunch of examples, like here and here
Ben is unpredictable to supergeniuses with IQ in the nonillions, who predict months in advance, have hundreds of plans in mind, can copy martial arts in an instant. He also uses the omnitrix in ways these guys didn't even think about

 

[jgms2008]

EG for combat can be achieved we have a bunch of examples, like here and here
Ben is unpredictable to supergeniuses with IQ in the nonillions, who predict months in advance, have hundreds of plans in mind, can copy martial arts in an instant. He also uses the omnitrix in ways these guys didn't even think about

Furthermore, he has already defeated Vilgax, who has years of combat experience, in addition to defeating Eon, who killed/enslaved several versions of Ben Tennyson from alternate timelines, in addition to being praised by Professor Paradox, who is also a supergenius.

 

[DemonicDude]

You are either Gifted or Extraordinary genius you can't be BOTH at the same time. Even some of the masters of martial arts on vsbattle wiki site who can pretty much Out-do martial art fighter on Earth from franchises like Baki are Genius and that's with Analytical Prediction and Instinctive Reaction abilities combined.
Ben doesn't have have hundreds of plans in his mind (As transforming into Brian Storm or Goop yes) but out tricking enemies like Vilgax and Siman with fake out tactics and making an Echo Echo clone in the truck, That's just clever thinking and makes you a better "strategist". To me that does not equal to Extraordinary Genius in my opinion.
An extra ordinary genius would be Dr. Animo
Defeating someone in combat does not make you equal to their intelligence either.

 

[Emerald]

You are either Gifted or Extraordinary genius you can't be BOTH at the same time.

Bro the gifted is for him academically, GE is for him in combat. We already accept shit like this in many profiles. Goku is average normally, GE in combat; there's also a Warhammer 40K dude that is deadass Below Average normally and Supergenius in combat.

Even some of the masters of martial arts on vsbattle wiki site who can pretty much Out-do martial art fighter on Earth from franchises like Baki are Genius and that's with Analytical Prediction and Instinctive Reaction abilities combined.

Yea, but Ben fights guys with just better Predictions. He fights guys that can predict things months in advance to a tee

Ben doesn't have have hundreds of plans in his mind (As transforming into Brian Storm or Goop yes) but out tricking enemies like Vilgax and Siman with fake out tactics and making an Echo Echo clone in the truck

We not saying Ben has hundreds of plans in mind. We saying that he fights guys that do this constantly, and its literally how they fight. And yet, Ben has the upper hand 90% of the time, to the point they think he's unpredictable.
Also Vilgax, the guy that beat up one of these super geniuses that can do a bunch of crazy shit as well

Defeating someone in combat does not make you equal to their intelligence either.

Well, that's why Ben isn't Supergenius in combat. Only Extraordinary Genius in skill

 

[DemonicDude]

Bro the gifted is for him academically, GE is for him in combat. We already accept shit like this in many profiles. Goku is average normally, GE in combat; there's also a Warhammer 40K dude that is deadass Below Average normally and Supergenius in combat.

Yea, but Ben fights guys with just better Predictions. He fights guys that can predict things months in advance to a tee

We not saying Ben has hundreds of plans in mind. We saying that he fights guys that do this constantly, and its literally how they fight. And yet, Ben has the upper hand 90% of the time, to the point they think he's unpredictable.
Also Vilgax, the guy that beat up one of these super geniuses that can do a bunch of crazy shit as well

Well, that's why Ben isn't Supergenius in combat. Only Extraordinary Genius in skill

@Phoenks @Arnoldstone18
please check this intelligence related issues and give your expertise opinion.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ben consistently outwitted Albedo, who in terms of intelligence is comparable to the brainstorm, who could predict every move of the Avengers through mental calculations and analysis. He could even cause problems for Ultimate Albedo, who claimed to be able to predict every possible step Ben would take and that his friends were acting in a specific way within a 100-meter radius. Ultimate Albedo still considered Azmuth's brain superior in intelligence, stating that Azmuth sees the universe "as it truly is," and Ben commented that as the most intelligent being, he should have a thousand plans in mind. However, Azmuth noted that Ben used the Omnitrix in ways he couldn't even imagine, and even with the Omnitrix, Azmuth couldn't defeat Vilgax, something Ben was perfectly capable of.

This qualifies for super genius not EG. especially the last sentence

 

[Firestorm808]

EG for combat can be achieved we have a bunch of examples, like here and here
Ben is unpredictable to supergeniuses with IQ in the nonillions, who predict months in advance, have hundreds of plans in mind, can copy martial arts in an instant. He also uses the omnitrix in ways these guys didn't even think about

Unless you can point to me the standards of what an EG in combat is on our site, I cannot say whether or not it meets it.