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No just straight up OS, he has like no feats that warrant anything higher, in fact you could just rename the OS key to Original Series/Omniverse (and make it clear that OV can't amp).
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Ben 10 Classic Series Revision Thread Part 1
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Then OS Vil now has energy projection, which would beg the question of why he never used it.
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I guess his cyberization didn't allow it.
If no one has any objections to the OV Vilgax being added to his OS key, I'll make the edits later.
If no one has any objections to the OV Vilgax being added to his OS key, I'll make the edits later.
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Did he laser someone? Could you give a scan? Reboot Vil has this too but it is kinda weird for OV Vilgax to have it.
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Yeah just energy projection for OV Vilgax then and amping for OS Vilgax. Everything else should be the same (Vilgax was in possession of the time bomb since 18th century)
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As much I love OV personally (Unlike the majority of the fandom) even I can say that they really did Vilgax dirty in that series. They literally had no reason to nerf him as much as they did, lol.
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I'm with you there.
I sometimes wonder if Vilgax just swapped places with another Chimera Sui Generis while he decided to just retire after getting sick of being beaten by Ben.
I sometimes wonder if Vilgax just swapped places with another Chimera Sui Generis while he decided to just retire after getting sick of being beaten by Ben.
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I made the OV Vilgax adjustment.
Getting back on Diamondhead Galvan B, here are my calculations
As I said before, using the masses of Galvan Prime and Galvan B and the orbital properties of the Earth's Moon, we can estimate Galvan B's gravitational distance.
Planet Mass = 1 Earth = 5.9722e+24 kg
Satellite Mass = Ganymede = 1.4819e+23 kg
Period = 27.321 days
Orbit Axis Distance = 386313 km
Silicone Mass = 218.926 kg
Distance = 386313 km
Time = 5 seconds
KE = 6.53e+17 Joules = 7-A
Getting back on Diamondhead Galvan B, here are my calculations
As I said before, using the masses of Galvan Prime and Galvan B and the orbital properties of the Earth's Moon, we can estimate Galvan B's gravitational distance.
Planet Mass = 1 Earth = 5.9722e+24 kg
Satellite Mass = Ganymede = 1.4819e+23 kg
Period = 27.321 days
Orbit Axis Distance = 386313 km
Silicone Mass = 218.926 kg
Distance = 386313 km
Time = 5 seconds
KE = 6.53e+17 Joules = 7-A
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Aight looks good, did you use relativistic KE?
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It's only a marginal difference for relativistic.
Does anyone have any objections to the moon calc?
Does anyone have any objections to the moon calc?
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Lucubra Vilgax
1- Earthquake/Vibration manipulation 2- electricity manipulation 3- Light manipulation/ Will power manipulation/ Fear manip
Resistance to fire manipulation
I just gathered the feat, you can elaborate what is right & wrong after checking these link, so we can add them.
1- Earthquake/Vibration manipulation 2- electricity manipulation 3- Light manipulation/ Will power manipulation/ Fear manip
Resistance to fire manipulation
I just gathered the feat, you can elaborate what is right & wrong after checking these link, so we can add them.
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All right then, not really, Dargoo was the most opposed to it. I find it weird how close the moon looks to the planet during the fight with Malgax but Electro had counterpoints to this so I’m pretty neutral.
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This is unusable because lack of feats.
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Yeah because it’s not like there’s gonna be an entire revision with tier 6 and tier 5 feats. Still shouldn’t be brought up here tho.
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So that nuke Vilgax survived has to be a Titan II. It can't be the First one because they shut down in the 1960s but Vilgax got sploded in the 70s.
Anyway, a Titan II is 9 megatons and vilgax already had six of them on his ship plus the one that Vilgax was stuck to. So it was the detonation of 7 of these nukes, which would be 63 megatons of course. 31.5 if you take surface area into account.
Anyway, a Titan II is 9 megatons and vilgax already had six of them on his ship plus the one that Vilgax was stuck to. So it was the detonation of 7 of these nukes, which would be 63 megatons of course. 31.5 if you take surface area into account.
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This is also Pre-OS Vilgax btw, who can’t hurt Grandpa Max fused with the Rust Bucket as Upgrade.
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Upgrade can get to the point where he’s 5-A with Tech iirc so not much of an anti-feat
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I mean I did downgrade Eatle (who OTTO scales to) and Zamasu might dowgrade him even further. Using Upgrade Rex as an example could be a better argument. You have a point that Upgrade could have been a mid-tier at that point tho since Max is also older (although Upgrade's design didn't reflect that).
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Daddy seems to make sense, where is this Eatle stuff coming from ?
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What would put him at U Humungousaur's level?
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Ult. Humungousaur = George's dura <= Dagon's Herald Vilgax >= Eatle
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Oh we got better Lollipop (and found out about the statement a few months ago, I mean Firestorm is literally one of the commentators)
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Really? What's the RB Omnitrix's best feat?
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You can't scale Either of them to Dagon or George. Ultimate Humungousaur is inferior to base Waybig by a lot. Him scaling to George, who can harm Dagon, who's stronger than Ultimate Waybig, would make no sense. Even scaling Eatle to Lucubra Vilgax is dumb because Lucubra Vilgax should be in the same tier as Vilgax with Azmuth's Sword, who one shot Eatle.
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Azmuth's sword can and Lucubra Vilgax nearly defeated Sir geroge even broke his Forcefield, He was more powerful than George and Eatle was more powerful than Lucubra Vilgax and harmed him several times.
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You're right. L Vilgax is stronger than George. That means L Vilgax > Ascalon. And Vilgax while powered by Ascalon one shot Eatle. How would Eatle scale above someone who one shot him? Simple, it's an outlier.
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Eatle > Lucubra Vilgax > Ascolon
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Goodness me. Ascalon Vilgax is weaker than Lucubra Vilgax. It makes no sense for Eatle to scale to him. Eatle vs L. Vilgax is the only time we see Eatle do anything tier 5. Every other instance he’s shown comparable to the regular tiers. Stop cherry-picking feats and learn what consistency is.
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He got blasted due to element of surprise he has never even seen Ascolon before , after which he adapts to the situation Eatle has good adaptability
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He was ready to fight Vilgax head on and he knows Vilgax has laser vision. What surprise are you talking about? What is this adaptation? Since when can Eatle get a boost in strength from a near death experience? He's not a Saiyan, please stop with the headcanon.
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Stop talking about sayains 10 year old Diamondhead lost to Vilgax in OS, In AF Diamodhead defeated him, since when has Ben ever faced Ascolon armored opponent, Vilgax powers were boosted After taking a hit and failing he competed and took many hits in the next epsiode, didn't Ben failed to stoped Annhilaarg and later in Omniverse stopped it second time (First time was element of surprise), Either way I'm not talking on this topic again.
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Well ok, I giving an example to show you why your arguments were flawed.
Yeah and? Age makes a lot of the aliens stronger. What does this have to do with anything?
When he got one shot by Vilgax.
Yeah he got stronger, that's why it contradicts Eatle scaling above Vilgax with Ascalon.
That's a false equivalency. Alien X had the power to stop the Annihilargh, Eatle didn't have the power to contend with Vilgax. The element of surprise doesn't drastically lower your durability.
So you concede then.
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I would like to mention that there apparently isn’t much of a Strength Gap between OS and AF Aliens. In ’Forge of Creation’, Young Ben’s Heatblast is able to Damage and temporarily blitz Armored Kevin. Later on, Wildmutt begins tearing apart the wing of the Rustbucket 2. In addition, Vilgax was damaged already by the time Diamondhead got to him- Diamondhead not only managed to get the drop on him, but Chromastone had already put a hurting on him with very powerful blasts, and he even got grazed by Way Big earlier on in the fight. Vilgax essentially went up against 3 different opponents, with Diamondhead being the last.
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