Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 8

[Firestorm808]

They can wipe out all evil, so it should be included evil characters, like Charmcaster (who was carrying Alpha Rune at that time)

Can you To clarify what you said better

Ok

Why? Erected is means "put up"

1. The Alpha Rune itself is just an object separate from Charmcaster.
2. The general assumption is that absorbing power is additive. You need more to prove that the power increase is a multiplier/exponential increase.
3. N/A
4. That doesn't really mean moved. Something like moving an entire city to a new state is different than building a wall around a city.

 

[Firestorm808]

He has Human DNA so...

Per the WOG you are referencing, because Anodites lack DNA, the DNA Scanner would not work on Gwen's Anodite form. It's not general resistance to Information Analysis, Power Nullification & Transmutation. Anodites just don't have what the tech functions on, DNA.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. The Alpha Rune itself is just an object separate from Charmcaster.

Whoever carries the Alpha Rune gets its power, which means that Charmcaster has got it.

1. The general assumption is that absorbing power is additive. You need more to prove that the power increase is a multiplier/exponential increase.

We can see that Ascalon is getting stronger so fast, as we saw when Sir George with Ascalon was unable to absorb Dagon's blast, but when he was with Ben, he was able to absorb Dagon's powers with ease. We can see that Ascalon is getting stronger so fast, as we saw when Sir George with Ascalon was unable to absorb Dagon's Blast, but when it was with Ben, it was able to absorb Dagon's Powers with ease. If this can prove that "power increase is a multiplier/exponential increase", we can make it updated to 2-A via Creation and Absorption

1. That doesn't really mean moved. Something like moving an entire city to a new state is different than building a wall around a city.

He can move multiple places (The word teleport in the context of statement here, means high/travel speed.)

 

[Firestorm808]

Whoever carries the Alpha Rune gets its power, which means that Charmcaster has got it.

We can see that Ascalon is getting stronger so fast, as we saw when Sir George with Ascalon was unable to absorb Dagon's blast, but when he was with Ben, he was able to absorb Dagon's powers with ease. We can see that Ascalon is getting stronger so fast, as we saw when Sir George with Ascalon was unable to absorb Dagon's Blast, but when it was with Ben, it was able to absorb Dagon's Powers with ease. If this can prove that "power increase is a multiplier/exponential increase", we can make it updated to 2-A via Creation and Absorption

He can move multiple places (The word teleport in the context of statement here, means high/travel speed.)

1. They are still separate things. Also, this is under the assumption that Ascalon w/ Dagon absorbed can basically Thanos snap all evil people away to "create a universe without evil."
2. I personally don't think that enough. You can ask the other staff on their opinion on the matter.
3. It literally says, "Now that I don't know."

 

[Firestorm808]

Actually, going over the previous thread, I think we made a mistake upgrading Dagon's absorption to 2-A.

The deal between Charmcaster and Dagon was explicitly "600,000 souls, the life-force of every living thing in this dimension," not including the energy of the Alpha Rune itself. The Alpha Rune is what sustains all magical energy and Ledgerdomain. If it was actually absorbed by Dagon, all that energy and the dimension would basically be no more.

It's even shown that Dagon refunded the souls he absorbed. "If the bargain is refused, then the payment must be returned. Such is the way of magic."

It's a sacrifice living souls to revive a dead soul sort of transaction. Just giving magical energy didn't seem to be an option for Charmcaster.

Unless we can determine the boost from of 600,000 souls, I propose that Dagon + Souls remain as just "Higher"

@DarkDragonMedeus

@ActuallySpaceMan42

Thoughts?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, going over the previous thread, I think we made a mistake upgrading Dagon's absorption to 2-A.

The deal between Charmcaster and Dagon was explicitly "600,000 souls, the life-force of every living thing in this dimension," not including the energy of the Alpha Rune itself. The Alpha Rune is what sustains all magical energy and Ledgerdomain. If it was actually absorbed by Dagon, all that energy and the dimension would basically be no more.

It's even shown that Dagon refunded the souls he absorbed. "If the bargain is refused, then the payment must be returned. Such is the way of magic."

It's a sacrifice living souls to revive a dead soul sort of transaction. Just giving magical energy didn't seem to be an option for Charmcaster.

Unless we can determine the boost from of 600,000 souls, I propose that Dagon + Souls remain as just "Higher"

@DarkDragonMedeus

@ActuallySpaceMan42

Thoughts?

Yeah, perhaps that was a mistake.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. They are still separate things. Also, this is under the assumption that Ascalon w/ Dagon absorbed can basically Thanos snap all evil people away to "create a universe without evil."

What does Thanos have to do with something?

1. I personally don't think that enough. You can ask the other staff on their opinion on the matter.

And what about if we added via Creation it will be better if you agree with this

1. It literally says, "Now that I don't know."

And then he literally said "but I wouldn't put it past him."

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Unless we can determine the boost from of 600,000 souls, I propose that Dagon + Souls remain as just "Higher"

Shouldn't this be 2-B it absorbs above 1001+ higher dimensional?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Thoughts?

I didn't participate in the 2-A CRT, but from what I see, I disagree with it.

1. The claim that Vilgax can "change" the universe is inaccurate, as the video explicitly states "rule," which conveys a different meaning entirely.
2. Regarding Ben and the sword, it does not literally create universes. The statement refers to the metaphorical creation of a universe without evil, achieved by removing all evil from the existing universe.
3. There is no clear justification for why all the souls and creatures in the Legerdomain should scale to the Alpha Rune or the entirety of the magic within that realm.

So with all that in mind, yeah, I disagree with this completely.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. Regarding Ben and the sword, it does not literally create universes. The statement refers to the metaphorical creation of a universe without evil, achieved by removing all evil from the existing universe.

Yes. No, what Vilgax literally says is that Ascalon and Dagon's Powers with some are able to create any universe using this powers

1. There is no clear justification for why all the souls and creatures in the Legerdomain should scale to the Alpha Rune or the entirety of the magic within that realm.

It's like that, because it has completely control the Legerdomain and every mana in a universe and this applies to it in the AP and it will also apply in Durability and Strength due to UES

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yes. No, what Vilgax literally says is that Ascalon and Dagon's Powers with some are able to create any universe using this powers

I disagree.

It's like that, because it has completely control the Legerdomain and every mana in a universe and this applies to it in the AP and it will also apply in Durability and Strength due to UES

I have no clue what you just said.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I have no clue what you just said.

I meant Alpha Rune has full control over Legerdomain, which make him scales to all mana in the Legerdomain, and even it has control all mana.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I meant Alpha Rune has full control over Legerdomain, which make him scales to all mana in the Legerdomain, and even it has control all mana.

That has nothing to do with what I said though. Why would all the souls and creatures in the Legerdomain scale to the Alpha Rune?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

That has nothing to do with what I said though. Why would all the souls and creatures in the Legerdomain scale to the Alpha Rune?

I now understand what turned out to be.

I disagree.

1. I personally don't think that enough. You can ask the other staff on their opinion on the matter.

Yeah, perhaps that was a mistake.

Do you agree with this for Ascalon (post-possessing Dagon)

Ascalon (Post-Possessing Dagon) scales to the combined power and durability of Ascalon (Pre-Possessing Dagon) and Dagon via Ascalon being a combination of all of them, reaching 58.46 Foe, possibly 40.16 TeraFoe

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. If anything, I'm seeing resistance to the fracturing of local space and the force from it. So just limited spacial manip.

He didn't say activating it would cause destruction, he said blowing it up with bombs would cause destruction. I see no reason to assume the fracture effect is actually harmful to anyone.

Also in Ben 10 Novel, the Entropy pump has been proven to be distorting reality which should give Resistance to Reality Warping and Limited Spatial Manipulation to Kevin, Gwen's shield, Humungousaur and Aggregor.
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[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

What does Thanos have to do with something?

And what about if we added via Creation it will be better if you agree with this

And then he literally said "but I wouldn't put it past him."

1. Nothing. It was an analogy.
2. I don't believe there is any justification for creation.
3. We do not accept "Now that I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past him." as a credible statement.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. Nothing. It was an analogy.
2. I don't believe there is any justification for creation.
3. We do not accept "Now that I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past him." as a credible statement.

Can you respond to this now?

Also in Ben 10 Novel, the Entropy pump has been proven to be distorting reality which should give Resistance to Reality Warping and Limited Spatial Manipulation to Kevin, Gwen's shield, Humungousaur and Aggregor.
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I now understand what turned out to be.



Do you agree with this for Ascalon (post-possessing Dagon)

 

[Churchill]

Ah, yes... the famous explanation manipulation...
I agree on that

 

[Firestorm808]

Can you respond to this now?

1. We only really see Spatial effects on screen, so I'll keep it to Limited Spatial Manipulation only.
2. What is that on the Tier scale?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. What is that on the Tier scale?

Is only for Ascalon (Post-Possessing Dagon) I don't think we need to add in Scaling Chain. Do you agree?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think, we can closing this?

 

[Firestorm808]

Is only for Ascalon (Post-Possessing Dagon) I don't think we need to add in Scaling Chain. Do you agree?

I suppose.

 

[Firestorm808]

I think, we can closing this?

Has everything been addressed?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Has everything been addressed?

I think we can say yes

 

[Firestorm808]

Have the items the staff approved been applied?