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Ben 10 Classic Series Revision Thread Part 1

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Zamasu_Chan said:
Him scaling to George, who can harm Dagon
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Who said the word AP? I said George’s dura which doesn’t scale to Ascalon nor Dagon, in case you haven’t noticed I’m treating George like a glass cannon. Ascalon just varies between weaker than Ult. Humungousaur to stronger than Dagonax.

I may have also found the reason why Eatle can keep up with them. He ate a lot of rocks at the beginning of his transformation thus he got an AP increase. Now 2 problems: 1) we could assume that his physical AP also increased but there’s no real basis for this. 2) If we assume his durability also increases then he’d be Ben’s only absorber (sans Upgrade) where that is the case, either that of he’s a stone wall who only gets to the level of his own dura after absorbing a lot of matter but I doubt this is the case.

(Also Ult. Kevin has 1/10th the power of Way Big but I’ll shut up about Ultimate scaling now)

Edit: Vilgax’s eye laser hurting Eatle is also a good point since that laser was probably not even amped by Ascalon, that was just an AF Vilgax laser.
 
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Greenshifter said:
The debate with Duncan seemed to be about OV Ben (due to Green Lantern being involved), that’d be infinite due to the Annihilaargh creating an infinite universe as per the scan of infinite universe in the OP.
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I was referring to what the Reboot Omnitrix's best feat is.
 
@Lollipop I mean the Duncan statement you brought up is about OV. Don’t know if the reboot even has a failsafe or if it has any speed feats. Scaling to the prototype Omnitrix if it’s an alternate timeline?

@Zamasu I expected more resistance lol, his dura is still a bit of a problem. Also here
 
Greenshifter said:
@Lollipop I mean the Duncan statement you brought up is about OV. Don’t know if the reboot even has a failsafe or if it has any speed feats. Scaling to the prototype Omnitrix if it’s an alternate timeline?
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...Bruh, he was talking about the Reboot, Phil didn't do anything like that in the Classic Series, and the only people talking about Omniverse were the people in the comments.
 
@Lollipop "It was stated that the omnitrix can save Ben from death", if this wasn't stated in the Reboot then the question and thus Duncan's answer was about OV.

"Phil didn't do anything like that in the Classic Series", did he clock the speed of the Omnitrix in the Reboot? I mean he works for the Rooters in OV so it makes more sense in that context than in the context of the Reboot I think.
 
Ah whoops there are 2 blogs, my bad guys.

You can edit and post it then Lollipop, maybe remove powernull since it’s part of his mind manipulation (right?)
 
I just want to point out that I'm probably gonna upgrade some of Ben Aliens such us:
Clockwork and Maltruant : at least MFTL reactions speed for him reacting fast enough to Atomic x who should be above regular Atomix who should be also above Waybig who is easily MFTL.

All of Ben aliens should have resistance to possession, corruption, mind control on theire profile due to the Omnitrix giving them resistance to those skills.

Alien x would have Attack Reflection, Weapon creation, resistance to spatial manipulation / dimensional barriers (for him cutting though the extra dimensional barrier thing or idk )

Does anyone agree with this?
 
I just want to point out that I'm probably gonna upgrade some of Ben Aliens such us:
Clockwork and Maltruant : at least MFTL reactions speed for him reacting fast enough to Atomic x who should be above regular Atomix who should be also above Waybig who is easily MFTL.

All of Ben aliens should have resistance to possession, corruption, mind control on theire profile due to the Omnitrix giving them resistance to those skills.

Alien x would have Attack Reflection, Weapon creation, resistance to spatial manipulation / dimensional barriers (for him cutting though the extra dimensional barrier thing or idk )

Does anyone agree with this?
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
I just want to point out that I'm probably gonna upgrade some of Ben Aliens such us:
Clockwork and Maltruant : at least MFTL reactions speed for him reacting fast enough to Atomic x who should be above regular Atomix who should be also above Waybig who is easily MFTL.

All of Ben aliens should have resistance to possession, corruption, mind control on theire profile due to the Omnitrix giving them resistance to those skills.

Alien x would have Attack Reflection, Weapon creation, resistance to spatial manipulation / dimensional barriers (for him cutting though the extra dimensional barrier thing or idk )

Does anyone agree with this?
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Attack reflection... here we go again...
 
Daddybrawl said:
Young Ben’s Heatblast is able to Damage and temporarily blitz Armored Kevin. Later on, Wildmutt begins tearing apart the wing of the Rustbucket 2.
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This isn't a speedblitz, this is Heatblast being more maneuverable/agile than Kevin and then him knocking Kevin back with a blast of fire, something that doesn't actually require him to have comparable AP to Kevin to do. He knocks back NRG but I seriously doubt anyone here will suggest that he can damage NRG's armor.

That and no one in that fight, Kevin included, actually wanted to hurt young Ben, and could all be easily argued to be holding back.

AF/UA Kevin's consistency with feats is actual hot garbage, and IDK why Wildmutt tearing into metal is anything groundbreaking for the alien considering he was trashing Vilgax's robots as early as the first few seasons.
 
DemonicDude said:
can we solve 4-c atomix first
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Didn't we agree that, without a timeframe, this just something he can accomplish before the Omnitrix even times out with his given tier?

As for Malgax we don't scale over-time feats to single attacks or even characters who participated in prolonged fights.
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
All of Ben aliens should have resistance to possession, corruption, mind control on theire profile due to the Omnitrix giving them resistance to those skills.
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That would be something the Omnitrix grants, not a property of the aliens themselves, which is what the pages actually detail.
 
Tbf when the Omnitrix is working properly it’s supposed to be 10 minutes. And generally it’s much shorter than that when Ben messes around with it so I think 10 minutes is an accurate compromise.

Guess Dargoo isn’t elaborating on why we can’t treat Atomix like a battery or whatever so fine I guess... (Eggman’s machine that absorbed the bio-energy from the planet which scaled to Sonic comes to mind)
 
@DemonicDude

In the same twitter thread, he gives 2 statement: one saying 6 times, and one saying Ganymede. I just used the low end for now.

Ganymede = 1.48e+23 kg
6x mass/volume = 4.38e+23 kg
 
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Firestorm808 said:
@DemonicDude

In the same twitter thread, he gives 2 statement: one saying 6 times, and one saying Ganymede. I just used the low end for now.

Ganymede = 1.48e+23 kg
6x mass/volume = 4.38e+23 kg
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Well 6 times was Duncan directly answering to the person who asked the question in the first place, we should look at that answer rather then Genymade one since he replied that to someone else who isn't the OP of that tweet.
Edit: Doesn't make a lot of different....
 
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Dargoo_Faust said:
IDK why Wildmutt tearing into metal is anything groundbreaking for the alien considering he was trashing Vilgax's robots as early as the first few seasons.
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The Rust Bucket Ship probably has some decent 7-A dura scaling.

Fair enough on your other points (although I think Kevin’s scaling isn’t that bad right, he’s consistently a weak mid-tier), how do you suggest we scale low-tiers to mid-tiers then? I was thinking the following:

OV DH = Sunder <= Humungousaur = Mid-size Third Form Malware = Small size Third Form Malware + Rook’s Proto-Tool = Malware with Tachyon Cannon + Rook > Second Form Malware + Rook =* 2 x Rook = 2 x SevenSeven (23) = OV XLR8

* Second Form Malware = OS DH = Sixsix = Rook

And then apply this difference between OV DH and OV XLR8 to be the same as the difference between OS DH and OS XLR8 (so at least 2 times).

Edit: Also Dargoo you didn’t really answer this question: Could you tell me what exactly Gravattack’s LS with his gravity manipulation would be for getting close to the gravity of a black hole?
 
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For Atomix, can we settle with either of the following:

At least Dwarf Star level, higher with prep time.

or

At least Dwarf Star level, up to Star level with prep time.
 
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