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A not so regular size downgrade (Way Big downgrade)

Currently, we scale Ben's Way Big to Albedo's Way Big, who destroyed a planet in Cosmic Destruction.

But there's an enormous problem with that:
- They made it clear that Ben could only had a chance of fighting that To'kustar if he uses Potis Altiare, otherwise, he would get stomped, literally.

So, Way Big shouldn't scale to a feat done by someone way stronger than him.​
​

So, what now?​


We can still scale Way Big to:​

Making him 5-A (Large Planet level).

This would of course affect the current scaling chain of the rest of Ben's aliens.

Agree: @Firestorm808, @Maverick_Zero_X (upscaling from Conquest Ray), @Ben_10_Stick_Nodes, @Infinitinet, @Ghengiroo115, @Dark_Soul20189, @Hellformer
Disagree:
Neutral:​
 
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Ghengiroo115 said:
Minor correction, I was basically the one person against the 5-A upgrade. But yeah everyone is 5-A/High 5-A because of Way Big, so they’d all be affected if this goes through. If they did have actual feats then I wouldn’t have been against the original upgrade lol
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Ironically, ngl, cuz it was your post that made everyone think "hey, they also scale from this"
 
We could adjust the "Mechamorphs repair Galvan B" thing to be 5-A if we use the statement of Rouleau of being six times bigger than our Moon.

And also we have the fact that Galvanic Mechamorphs tanked the destruction of Galvan B, not just Malware did.
 
I agree with the downgrade. But here's a better way to fix this:
  • This conquest Ray calc can be used, which yields in 1.4519396*10³⁸J of Energy output or 34.7022 Ronnatons of TNT (High 5-A).
  • Ultimate Kevin has 1/10th of the strength of all the aliens including waybig. And he was shown to be almost on par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is 10x stronger than his base form.
  • Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here [X=0.642633 Ronnatons = 642.633 Yottatons (5-A)]
  • AP of Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Echo echo and Ult Kevin = 6.42633 Ronnatons (5-A)
  • AP of Ult aggregor would contribute 5 aliens from andromeda and his own, so AP=6*X=3.8558 Ronnatons (5-A)
  • Classic aliens being 1/10th of X would be 64.2633 Yottatons (5-A)
 
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Wasn’t the ping pong pong ping machine in the game confirmed to give a 10x amp? Couldn’t you just downscale waybig from that?
 
Hellformer said:
I agree with the downgrade. But here's a better way to fix this:
  • This conquest Ray calc can be used, which yields in 1.4519396*10³⁸J of Energy output or 34.7022 Ronnatons of TNT (High 5-A).
  • Ultimate Kevin has 1/10th of the strength of all the aliens including waybig. And he was shown to be almost on par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is 10x stronger than his base form.
  • Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here [X=0.642633 Ronnatons = 642.633 Yottatons (5-A)]
  • AP of Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Echo echo and Ult Kevin = 6.42633 Ronnatons (5-A)
  • AP of Ult aggregor would contribute 5 aliens from andromeda and his own, so AP=6*X=3.8558 Ronnatons (5-A)
  • Classic aliens being 1/10th of X would be 64.2633 Yottatons (5-A)
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Isn't the Conquest Ray just 5-A? Like 30 or 40 Yottatons or so.
Especially cuz the Earth end wasn't accepted.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Do we have the actual quote to work with?
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Hellformer said:
I agree with the downgrade. But here's a better way to fix this:
  • This conquest Ray calc can be used, which yields in 1.4519396*10³⁸J of Energy output or 34.7022 Ronnatons of TNT (High 5-A).
  • Ultimate Kevin has 1/10th of the strength of all the aliens including waybig. And he was shown to be almost on par with Ultimate Humungousaur who is 10x stronger than his base form.
  • Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here [X=0.642633 Ronnatons = 642.633 Yottatons (5-A)]
  • AP of Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Echo echo and Ult Kevin = 6.42633 Ronnatons (5-A)
  • AP of Ult aggregor would contribute 5 aliens from andromeda and his own, so AP=6*X=3.8558 Ronnatons (5-A)
  • Classic aliens being 1/10th of X would be 64.2633 Yottatons (5-A)
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Can we use this instead?
 
If the earth end is controversial then we can go with an alternative approach of using Malware surviving Galvan B's destruction (430 Yottatons) to calculate Waybig's AP.

3rd form Malware=Base Humungousaur=X (Assigning a variable)=430 Yottatons(5-A)

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons
Hellformer said:
  • Let AP of all base aliens in UAF/OV = X, and apply the same metric as used in the 5-A upgrade 34.7022/10+X*46/10=10*X From here
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Then using this method to reverse calculate Waybig's AP=430*54=23220 Yottatons=23.220 Ronnatons (High 5-A)
 
Hellformer said:
If the earth end is controversial then we can go with an alternative approach of using Malware surviving Galvan B's destruction (430 Yottatons) to calculate Waybig's AP.

3rd form Malware=Base Humungousaur=X (Assigning a variable)=430 Yottatons(5-A)

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons

Then using this method to reverse calculate Waybig's AP=430*54=23220 Yottatons=23.220 Ronnatons (High 5-A)
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Actually, I think this'd work.

Also, if necessary, we can calc The Mechamorphs feat of repairing Galvan B with the 6x Earth"s moon size to have more consistent values.

And maybe calc the durability of Mechamophs for tanking the destruction of Galvan B, too.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Actually, I think this'd work.

Also, if necessary, we can calc The Mechamorphs feat of repairing Galvan B with the 6x Earth"s moon size to have more consistent values.

And maybe calc the durability of Mechamophs for tanking the destruction of Galvan B, too.
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Then ask someone to calc those Feats
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Idk who does that ngl
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Then we can go with this as an alternative for now
Hellformer said:
If the earth end is controversial then we can go with an alternative approach of using Malware surviving Galvan B's destruction (430 Yottatons) to calculate Waybig's AP.

3rd form Malware=Base Humungousaur=X (Assigning a variable)=430 Yottatons(5-A)

Ult Humungousaur=Ult Kevin=10X=4300 Yottatons

Then using this method to reverse calculate Waybig's AP=430*54=23220 Yottatons=23.220 Ronnatons (High 5-A)
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