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BB (Fate/Extra CCC) VS Sazed (Mistborn)

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Most of the Moon Cancer's Hax are rendered useless as Sazed is not born of earth, top that off with non-corperal and reality warping and he should take this.
 
His origin will only save him from Potnia Theron. He still has to deal with BB's Ten Crown, CCC, Domina Cornam, and her Golden Grail
 
I'm pretty sure non coperal will save him there.

Also no, it saves him from time manipulation, causality manipulation, power negligence, there are far more abilities then just the Potnia Theron that his origin saves him from.
 
All his origin will do is save him from Potnia Theron's Earth mother goddess authority that makes anything born from Earth completely moot, and all this'll do is only let Sazed to be able to attack her. Nothing more, nothing less. CCC just use said authority to the fullest to pull off something similiar to Enuma Elish, whether BB's enemy is from Earth or not isn't really relevant when all it does is just rewrite the world into anything BB desires. Her Dormina Cornam also doesn't care if her enemy can get around her Potnia Theron or not because it will still work in case they can do it. And Sazed also doesn't really possess anything that let him bypass Ten Crown. And her Golden Grail ignores the enemy special abilities & stats when used.
 
Because it just overwrite the world however BB want and affect everyting in its AoE. So if you want to argue that Sazed can no sell it, not originating from Earth is not the proper reasoning for it since it doesn't do anything other than let him bypass Potnia Theron defense capability and not BB's other abilities
 
Actually, 10 Crowns is just the manifestation of the Potnia Theron's whole "nothing born of earth can harm me" thing

And I'm under the impression that an ability (CCC) done by "using the Earth Mother Authority to its fullest" would not work on anything not born of the earth, at least not directly. She can't directly "3-D print" over him at least
 
Using that authority to the fullest mean she can alter Earth however she saw fit by overwriting it. What it does is really an Enuma Elish BB version with some extra features. Even if you argue that he can somehow resist it, the fact that hes still within its AoE won't save him from the process where the space affected became imaginary space that also consume reality
 
I'm not arguing that he can resist it. I'm stating that as a being not born of earth, its power cannot directly affect him. Consuming the space he is in still works just fine (although he is noncorporal and can instantly will himself to be somewhere else)
 
Except he and his concept are not born of earth and thus CCC cannot erase his concept as it cannot directly affect anything not born of earth.
 
It crush the present world and everything on it. Simply being in its AoE is enough requirement for him to get erased by it unless he can resist its full effect
 
@Monarch

While CCC is the maximum application of Potnia Therion, it does not mean that BB is unable to use it against those who are exempt from her authority. She is able to use it against the protagonist despite the fact that as a Moon-born AI they are not subject to the Earth Mother's jurisdiction.

That said, she probably won't use it as a first resort, but given that the Golden Grail nullifies all magical abilities and properties, I can see it working on non-corporeal beings.

In addition, she can still invoke Ten Crowns even when Potnia Therion's authority is nullified, albeit temporarily and forcing her to take some time to reapply it when it runs out.
 
Is that so. My apologies then. I was incorrect.

The Golden Grail is meant to be like All the World's Evil's mud, which corrupts the soul, so I can definitely see it working if it hits Sazed despite his incorporeality. Edit: no this was incorrect. She doesn't hav soul manipulation so incorporeality still saves him from the GG

Ok, didn't know that either. How does 10 Crowns work exactly?
 
There is the fact that BB is rather arrogant and doesn't finish off her opponents immediately. It isn't until she knows she's in danger that she'll pull out CCC, so if Sazed can kill her before she realizes this, that's a win for him.
 
@Gargoyle

You are correct in that regard, but when she realizes that her authority won't work on Sazel (which will be quite fast given that she's a hyper-grade AI) she will immediately start to get serious and enter her Moon Cancer form, which primes her ability to use C.C.C.

Even when she's being casual she can rewrite all information around her to work as it would on her BB Channel and make everything descend into chaos for Sazel.
 
I only have info from Mistborn and his hax is just mainly just generic reality warping, nothing special there, but he should be twice as strong as any other Shard seen so far, so someone else with knowledge of the Cosmere would be better able to answer that.

I will say that Sazed should be well above planet level though. He might not even need hax. The Lord Ruler, with the smallest fragment of the dying Preservation's power, was able to casually change the position of the Scadriel in the solar system and warp the entire face of the planet. Sazed has the full power of both Preservation, and it's equal/opposite Ruin, so he is well, well above that.
 
So basically he hits BB a few times if not just once and she's already dead. If he can take advantage of those moments where BB is unaware of the authority being useless, he should kill her before she pulls out the big guns.
 
@Gargoyle

As the overseer of the Moon Cell, it'll only take her moments to realize when her usual application of Potnia Therion won't work, since her processing ability is absolutely insane.

Sazed still does not have a counter to BB rewriting cause and effect to prevent Sazed's attacks from reaching her and she still has her Reality Marble (the BB Channel) to sow chaos and make everything go the way she wants them to.
 
@Gargoyle

Warping the face of a planet doesn't really compare to crushing the concept of a planet and everything on it and rewriting it to your liking.

Sazed still needs to deal with BB's Reality Marble which automatically turns things in her favor as if it were a sitcom on her BB Channel.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Gargoyle
Warping the face of a planet doesn't really compare to crushing the concept of a planet and everything on it and rewriting it to your liking.
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Apart from the concept part, Sazed did exactly that. He replicated Rashek's 5-B feat and moved the planet back into its natural place in the solar system and warped (re-wrote) the entire planet and everything on it (including people, animals, plants, diseases, etc) to fix all its (numerous) problems on both planetary and atomic scales in an absurdly casual way. He just wanted it done and it was done.

His intelligence is also insanely high. He has the combined knowledge of thousands of different civilisations, most of whom were extremely knowledgable about various specialised fields of science, magic and philosophy ranging from biology to astrology and the Shards of Ruin and Preservation massively increase his intelligence and learning capacity, to the point where Rashek, who prior to taking in a tiny fraction of Preservation's power was nothing more than a shepard, became able to understand all the system interactions of the entire world, from the way atoms and cells interacted with each other to the way that gravity fields and natural phenomena happened, in less than a few minutes. He is also clairvoyant and cosmically aware, so he can see the future and plan for it decades in advance, like he did in the Wax and Wayne series.
 
@Monarch

BB is playful, but she isn't stupid either. She's a hyper-grade AI formed as the data backup for AI Sakura Matou's feelings for Hakuno Kishinami, thus giving her the same potential to match the Moon Cell's calculation rate which is powerful enough to warp reality itself.

She then proceeded to further expand her faculties by absorbing hundreds of Servants, NPCs, and Masters as well as the data of numerous goddesses, granting her knowledge and expertise from across all of history before reconstructing the authority of the Earth Mother Goddess from the dozen goddesses derived from her. Then she proceeded to use that knowledge to enter imaginary space, suspending herself in a state of unlimited time to eventually overtake the Moon Cell's authority through constant calculations and gain access to its controls.

As a result, she processes information at absolutely insane speeds. It really wouldn't take her all that long to understand that she couldn't rely on Potnia Therion.

With the passive applications of Cursed Cutting Crater she is able to purge the concepts of the world with those of her own design, granting her control over time, space, gravity, luck, coincidence, cause and effect, and information.

Then there's the fact that she was also recently revealed to have a Reality Marble in the form of her BB Channel, which rewrites the information of the surroundings to make the area descend into organized chaos in her favor as it is her sitcom and channel to control.
 
@Monarch

In Fate/Extra, the Moon Cell is so coveted because it is able to conduct such complex and rapid calculations that reality itself was affected if one were to perform a wish in it.

BB overtook it by performing an unlimited number of calculations in imaginary space in a state of indefinite time.
 
Also:

His intelligence is also insanely high. He has the combined knowledge of thousands of different civilisations, most of whom were extremely specialised in different fields of science, magic and philosophy ranging from biology to astrology and the Shards of Ruin and Preservation massively increase his intelligence and learning capacity, to the point where Rashek, who prior to taking in a tiny fraction of Preservation's power was nothing more than a shepard, became able to understand all the system interactions of the entire world, from the ways atoms and cells interacted with each other to the way that gravity fields and natural phenomena happened, in less than a few minutes. Sazed is also clairvoyant and likely cosmically aware, so he can see the future and plan for it centuries in advance, like Preservation did in Mistborn and Sazed did himself in the Wax and Wayne series.

I'm fairly certain that their intelligence is on par with each other's. A "calculation rate powerful enough to warp reality" is unquantifiable as an intelligence feat, as is BB's hacking the moon cell from imaginary space - she could have been in there for an eternity before managing to hack the smallest fraction of its code, and by the time she finishes, it still would only seem like an instant from outside the imaginary space. So we can't really use it to show her intelliegence, only the fact that she is a hypergrade AI.
 
@Monarch

But can Sazed counter her Reality Marble though? She uses it even when she's being casual.
 
Possibly by using his own reality warping, but not sure. Mistborn doesn't really have anything like reality marbles.
 
Although, this needs to take place in the Moon Cell for BB right? Sazed can likely mimic Ruin's feat of rewriting information seeing as he has both Ruin and Preservation's powers. Ruin's ability doesn't work on any words carved into metal due to metal being a material of Preservation's power, but considering Sazed/Harmony is both Preservation and Ruin, that weakness probably doesn't exist in Sazed. That weakness might not even matter either, seeing as a supercomputer doesn't really have its information carved into metal so much as made of electrons and stuff, and Ruin was also able to rewrite the information/memories stored in copperminds. So he might be able to rewrite the information within the Moon Cell himself by directly affecting the supercomputer's stored information.

What is the form/function/process of the Moon Cell?
 
@Monarch

The Moon Cell is a special quartz crystal which is the oldest thing in the solar system, having observed its creation and recorded it within its Saint Graph for 4.6 billion years

It is able to record the entire history of the Earth at any given nanosecond, simulate all life on it, and provide predictions of the future. It is also sentient, hacking and connecting to every electronic device on Earth simultaneously when discovered irrespective of their magically enhanced security systems before creating the Holy Grail War to test those worthy of using its power.
 
A quartz crystal recording the history of the earth sounds quite similar to Copperminds to me. He could probably mess with it a bit.
 
@Monarch

He'd have to mess with it while BB is busy messing with him by rewriting the physical laws and information around her.
 
@Monarch

She could do things like, "It is a physical law that I cannot be harmed." or "It is a physical law that this annoying second-hand excuse for a magus cannot exist."
 
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