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Im trying to find it its on narutoforums
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Bayonetta Verse Revisions: Low 1-C, Infinite
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I should mention, I approved the Irenic calc based on what was presented, obviously my approval does not matter in case of additional information I didn't know about.
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i would say your assessment is accurate, since the book doesnt specify diameter
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I was a big participant in that thread. I know Irenic's feat wasn't officially accepted to be usable in that thread, otherwise the profiles would've reflected that.
Is it the Jubileus one? That's the only one I can find from the profiles.
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It wasnt bcause th thrad wasnt about adding irnic's speed fat, thats literally whatthis thread if for
No th ones for Bayonetta's light dodging and jeanne's metor dodging
They changed how stuff is found on NF and its super ****** annoying to find anything now
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i responded to weekly's complaint regarding mine. If there are no more issues, it should be that one
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The issue is, no other feats nor statements no calcs can back up Quadrillions of times FTL. Nothing comes close to it.
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Weekly's calc is older. 2 calc members were called to evaluate both calcs and they went with Cybers. I think that says enough regarding which one we should use. Its MFTL+ anyways.
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just use mine, ill further justify it:
Based on the quote, I think volume would be more supported. The word "large" is in reference to size, which itself refers to the overall dimensions of something, not just the width. For example if a planet was said to be twice as large as earth, it would be odd to assume that it has twice the diameter of earth, because then its overall size would be several times greater than earth. I think it would need to say "thousands of times wider than the human world" for diameter to be the safer assumption.
Based on the quote, I think volume would be more supported. The word "large" is in reference to size, which itself refers to the overall dimensions of something, not just the width. For example if a planet was said to be twice as large as earth, it would be odd to assume that it has twice the diameter of earth, because then its overall size would be several times greater than earth. I think it would need to say "thousands of times wider than the human world" for diameter to be the safer assumption.
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It does though? the fact that the next three lowest calcs ar stupidly casual yet still well into MFTL+ supports that
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Imo if the Trillions/Quadrillions/whatever c feat has no anti-feats I think it should be used
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I can see the logic behind Bayonetta scaling to Irenic BUT the issues with Irenic's speed during their segment in Bayonetta not being its trillions or quintillions speed is still an issue. Unless Bayonetta's boost puts her at such a speed that Irenic's full speed looks like it's slowed to a crawl..which then brings up other issues like why Angels and other fodder also appear slowed to move at the same speed as Irenic during Witch Time.
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That's what I'm saying, assuming that Irenic is moving at the speed the calc's suggest means that Bayonetta's perception during Witch Time would indicate that the angels and Irenic are moving at the same snail pace, meaning the angels are just as fast as Irenic which goes against Irenic's main gimmick being it's speed from a lore perspective and then calls into question why the angels use Irenic and normal vehicles to keep up with Bayonetta on a supe'd out bike if they are already capable of flight and are as fast as Irenic.
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Othr foddr angels can keep up with Irenic you know, like even in the lvel thyre introduced in other fodders are shown to be able to keep up with its movements through their combat speed and ractions
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Yes, from face value the assumption is that the Irenic's aren't moving at the speed their description suggests during their encounter with Bayonetta. (I understand it's impossible for the game to depict that). If we are assuming that Irenic is indeed moving at its MFTL+ calc's speed during the gameplay section then what is a good explanation for regular cars having relatively comparable speed to Irenic during the mission, the cars are fast enough that angels use them as platforms to attack Bayonetta on her bike (said would also assume to be moving at Irenic's speed).
Also, why isn't prime Jubileus not Low 2-C possibly 2-C?
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Yes. Nowhere near quadrillions. Like, not even close. And those are god tiers, this is a random fodder. Ya no, heavy disagree
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There arent any no, and there are a bunch of supporting feats to go along with it, mainly three absurdly casual MFTL+ feats in the thousands to tens of thousands of times FTL
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Would you like the link to the thread where it was agred that fodder angels can be faster than the god tiers too?
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Yeah? Whats the issue here? Name one verse where they consistently move at top speed 100% of the time, because right now thats your sole reason for disagreeing with this and its kinda lackluster
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I mean to be fair and just responding to this specifically only, would this question even work if it's more so in reference to something like travel speed which is what irenic is
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Lackluster when the fodder is billions of times faster than the god-tiers? This is a extremely massive discrepancy in speed, and unless there is direct feats to back of quadrillions, or even trillions, nothing will change my mind that it is an outlier.
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Tbf you can reverse the logic and ask what verse has characters that move at a speed that's not even a fraction of their top speed most of the time. Tens of thousands x MFTL even if extremely casual is still nothing compared to quintillions or even trillions x MFTL.
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Bayo's reactons and combat speed scale to irenic's travel speed so yeah, though i understand what youre getting at and the fact that their othr combat and reactions feats are absurdly casual yet still well into MFTL+ means this would be consistent
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All of them...? Literally every verse on the wiki, there is not a single verse that w have catalogued where a character moves at their listed speed 100% of the time unles theyre some tier 0 being or they havsome weird existential thing tied to their movement speed
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That's why I was only referring to travel speed in an accordance to your previous comment
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Correct. At this point youre ignoring the multi-page discussion that determined that the fodder are fastr than the god tiers, and seemingly out of sheer bias seeing as youre not even willing to look into it yet continuing to argue agaist this revision anyways.
Ah yes 'this character has a high number feat and multiple high-number casual feats so it must be an outlier', a very good and original argument
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I argue against MFTL+. You accusse me of sheer bias when you have no direct counterpoint to dismiss the sheer discrepancy of the feat when compared to others. I do not dismiss that the fodders can be faster than the gods tiers, but this feat is numerically an outlier. If you want to convince me, prove that this discrepancy is valid, or that the fodders can in fact be billions of times faster than the god tiers.
Ah yes, 'The strawman argument that avoids directly confronting my point that there is a discrepancy so large that it needs explanation, in contrast to the impressive but still lackluster other MFTL+ feats that come nowhere even close.'
Please don't attempt to strawman my argument. You know what I am arguing.
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@Dienomite22 For instance, taking a verse youre knowlegeable on as example, God of High School. Can you genuinely say that every single movement that Mori makes every moment of every day outside of combat is MHS or MFTL+?
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From what I see, that is not true. Listed speed is typically given because a character has other feats that are near their max speed by a reasonable margin (100x casual MHS feat can be used as support for 1000x MHS max speed) or a character is comparable to a character/s with such feats.
I don't often see characters who are trillion c but only having feats that are not even a fraction of that as support.
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There are feats to back up the MFTL+. There is none to approve the massive MFTL+ jump shown here thus far.
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Its not a jump, its her base speed and there are four feats to back it up have you even been reading this thread?
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You say that but you never actually posted the feats. you just said "hold on it's hard to search narutoforums" and then went on a tangent about something else instead of actually posting the feats
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Marvel, Bleach, Warhammer, Star Wars, Dragon Ball, etc. Basically any verse that has MFTL+ speed has one high-end speed feat and then any other lower MFTL+ speed feats are supporting feat for it
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Yes. There are enough casual MTFL that would put Mori at his base-listed MFTL rating almost all the time.
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And thats the same with Bayonetta, so whatexactly is the issue?
Though what i meant was can you viably say that every step he takes outside of combat is MHS or MFTL
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I am willing to bet those supporting feats are comparable to the high-end feats.
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