Alright sorry I’m late.
Arguments for MFTL+ speed scaling.
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All verse characters can amp themselves to absurd levels.
Due to the
witch time thread, it has been accepted that the basically every character in the verse can amplify their speeds, but to save trouble I’ll send the main points here.
For the angels first amplifying feat, we have Bayonetta and Jeanne fighting atop of a falling plane. In this battle one Angel noticeably breaks free of Bayonettas Witch time, meaning that Angel
“Amped” itself to match her speed. Another instance is during the fight with Fortitudo, where he also
“Amps” himself to keep pace with Bayonetta, while her witch time is activated. (If the embedded timestamps don’t work, please let me know <3) This proves that the angels can indeed amp themselves, to a point where they can match the higher tiers in terms of speed.
What this means is, since the angels can amp themselves, as can
Bayonetta and Balder, mostly everyone’s speed can be relative to one another. Therefore even if Irenics feat is trillions of times faster than the normal feats, it’s nothing out of the question for Bayonetta and some other characters to replicate. They don’t have to scale for flight speed (is that what you guys call it?) but combat speed and reactions is definitely accessible scaling. If you look at the last thread before this, scaling to Irenic via combat speed and reactions was previously accepted, which is why some of the pages have it added already.
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The inherent hierarchy, that makes Irenics feat nothing impressive
While some of the other feats pale in comparison to Irenic, this is actually for good reason. Irenics case as an Angel is very special, he was a messenger Angel that was created before history, tasked with spreading gods word around Paradiso. Which means Irenic naturally has to boast absurd speed feats, while some of the other angels do not.
However, due to the
angelic hierarchy, Irenic would pale in comparison to other characters.
To explain, Irenic is classified as a third sphere angel, but with first sphere halos. This means that Irenic has the spiritual existence, and power of a first sphere, since halos are representative of their power. The spiritual existence is also something to take note of.
Angels that are first sphere have higher existences than a second sphere, and so on. Meaning that characters above Irenic in the hierarchy (The cardinal virtues, Jubileus, Rodin, Balder, Aesir, etc) are all much
much more powerful than him, and therefore their attributes are better.
Angels and others above first spheres are by Bayonetta standards, and VSBW standards, infinitely more powerful than Irenic, with attributes that far exceeds it. In no way would it make sense that Aesir, a god who
surpasses time and space, is fodder speed wise to a first sphere Angel. Every character simply upscales from Irenic, which I believe is the case for a few verses on this site, that upscales speed feats or other attributes from “Weaker” characters.
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Proposals
Bayonetta and characters on her level, can either have their profiles changed in a few ways. We can either keep the changes we have currently, which means some characters would scale in combat speed and reactions with amps. Or we can acknowledge that some characters would just be stronger and much faster than Irenic naturally, and upscale those higher tiered characters in all categories. Given what I explained about the hierarchy and the halos, it is again not unjustifiable that Jubileus, the god who created the verse and Irenic itself, would scale upwards from that speed feat.
His feat is just another, albeit more impactful, display of how angels can have absurd attributes given the sphere they belong in. It is less of an outlier, and more of a means to scale other characters without having them break the plot too drastically.
