Base Sonic's AP

[Firestorm808]

Continued from: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1506359

Will update as the thread proceeds

Arguments for 6-A:

• Sonic defeats Ultimate Emerel
• Ifrit
• Sonic defeats a Dark Gaia powered Egg Dragoon
• Exploding Amusement Park?
• Eggrobo powered by planet's energy
• Infinite's Mini Su

Arguments for 5-A:

• Eggrobo throws mini stars that turn into black holes
• Nega Wisp

Current Outliers:

• Sonic defeats Perfect Chaos

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Should probably link the 5-A feats that are being discussed

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Same thing happened with Zelda. Downgrade thread turned into an upgrade.

 

[Jobbo]

If Base Sonic turns out to be 5-A, why would fighting Perfect Chaos be an outlier?

 

[Firestorm808]

Am I missing any other arguments from the previous thread?

 

[Wokistan]

Why is Ultimate Emerl listed as High 6A right now as opposed to being higher and just an outlier? He has the chaos Emeralds and is stated to be capable of planet busting. If Base sonic is 5A that shouldn't be considered an outlier.

 

[Cropfist]

Why is Ultimate Emerl multi-continent for being able to destroy the planet in the first place?

 

[Firestorm808]

^It might be that base sonic could beat him.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That wouldnt mean Emerel should be downgraded though, that just means Sonic doesnt scale to his feat

 

[Wokistan]

That, or it being evidence for a sonic upgrade, especially considering how casually he seemed to be taking everything else in the game.

 

[Numbersguy]

Lemme put the links of the feats:

5-A:

Nega Wisp is a succi boi

Black hole star boi

BTW:

Also the mini-sun turns out to be on the exatons

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Hmm.... Interesting. There seems to be more feats for 5-A than High 6-A.

 

[Firestorm808]

According to the Sonic Battle Script Emerl was going to destroy the Earth with the Final Egg Blaster.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There's a lot of problems in this thread.

• 1) There is no evidence that the black holes are real black holes
• 2) Eggrobo powered by planet's energy is a 6-A feat.
• 3) Exploding Amusement Park is not 5-A
• 4) Eggdragoon is neither. The 5-A feat is Nega Wisp, if Black Hole is real
• 5) Perfect Chaos is an outlier. This is an enemy Sonic needs Super Form to beat
• 6) Infinite's Mini-sun is High 6-A. Consistent with Ifrit and Eggrobo
• 7) Final Egg Blaster is a Death Star cannon. It doesn't scale to Emerl or Sonic (Outside of Super)

Overall, High 6-A is actually much more consistent than 5-A, which seems to be misinterpreted.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eggrobo has no High 6-A feat, the machine draining the earth's life energy does

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Matt Not only were you the one arguing that they are real black holes, but Executor posted a LOT of evidence pointing to them being real black holes in the other thread

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Oh god, we going to base one again

 

[WeeklyBattles]

We dont scale machines to their batteries period unless they have feats to back it up

 

[Firestorm808]

^Is that an official site rule or is that a general thing?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

General rule. If the machine used up the same amount of energy as its battery contained it would stop working in seconds.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We dont scale machines to their batteries period unless they have feats to back it up

We do. I already said there's no reason not to, unless it is shown they are only using a very tiny fraction. And I said I support your Splatoon.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

General rule. If the machine used up the same amount of energy as its battery contained it would stop working in seconds.

It's not. It doesn't exist. You have yet to show me this rule.

 

[Numbersguy]

Ignore base one dudes, ignore it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Wait what? Since when?

 

[Numbersguy]

Matt is bringing base one, we better ignore base one.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Since always? For instance, we have multiple characters at certain AP tiers for absorbing the energy of planets or stars.

You literally invented a rule in your head.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Who? And do they have actual feats of destroying planets/stars?

 

[Numbersguy]

"Launch a black hole"

Word of god

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Who? And do they have actual feats of destroying planets/stars?

Velthinar for example. They don't have to. Sucking a planet or a star is a feat in itself.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its not though, its hax

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It is. You can quantify it. Draining a planet you will absord its energy. Same with a sun.

The C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer suckles 2,000 years worth of a Red Giant Star's energy in minutes. that's a ridiculously impressive feat. He did that just to heal its wounds.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then i have a few CRTs to make because this is new and frankly shocking information to me...

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

A main-energy star produces Petatons worth of energy every second. If your character sucks a star for many minutes to empower himself, he will be absorbing Low 5-B levels of energy, and that amount of energy will be the equivalent of having a meal for him.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Then i have a few CRTs to make because this is new and frankly shocking information to me...

Careful, you may be jumping the gun, or looking at false equivalencies. It's quite possible that it wasn't accepted in your case because it wasn't comparable.

You told me the Splatoon one. What is the other?

 

[Numbersguy]

I got a solid 6-A here from Infinite's sun feat

Assuming the 5-A gets rejected, we get this as a fallback, and Iblis.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

In Splatoon, the fish with the feat not only can produce enough electricity to keep the town going several days after it's gone, but Octavio literally absorbed the whole thing. This one certainly works as AP.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its actually a massive city but yeah

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It does. It is no different from stuff Electro does all the time (Drain the electricity of New York City).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Inkopolis is heavily based off of Tokyo, so whatever the electricity needed to power that city is would serve as a basis for Octavio's mech, and in turn the Inklings

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bad Weekly, that's a Sonic thread now. Should take Splatoon stuff elsewhere.