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super saiyan grade 4 is as strong as super saiyan grade 1.Didn't Goku improve his Super Saiyan transformation during the Cell Arc? So it wouldn't necessarily be a 50x multiplier anymore.
Backscaling from his performance later on the Buu Arc seems a bit much.
4th Grade SSj1 form its an improvement to a standard SSj1 form yes, however that because it consume less stamina and it put less stress on the body.Didn't Goku improve his Super Saiyan transformation during the Cell Arc? So it wouldn't necessarily be a 50x multiplier anymore.
Wrong. El Manga Legiondario states it's stronger than SSJ Grade 3.super saiyan grade 4 is as strong as super saiyan grade 1.
El manga dahndioashndo also states that grade 3 is a 10x multiplier and we aren't using SSJ as a 500x multiplier. Is that thing even canon?Wrong. El Manga Legiondario states it's stronger than SSJ Grade 3.
I believe that's the main gist, yes.4th Grade SSj1 form its an improvement to a standard SSj1 form yes, however that because it consume less stamina and it put less stress on the body.
The form itself doesn't grant a higher multiplier compare to the SSj1, which its the major different compare to the 2nd Grade and 3rd Grade SS1 forms.
2nd Grade and 3rd Grade SS1 are the ones who grant an additional power increase to the standard SSj1, but this by sacrifice stamina, speed and mobility.
Which its why Goku decided to focus on improving the standard SSj1 form, which ended up with him archiving 4th Grade.
Goku only improved its stamina drain. Goku said it himself that going through higher grades of SSJ isn't right and instead he should focus only on stamina drain reduction to master the form, which he does after he finishes the trainingDidn't Goku improve his Super Saiyan transformation during the Cell Arc? So it wouldn't necessarily be a 50x multiplier anymore.
Backscaling from his performance later on the Buu Arc seems a bit much.
It should be changed, because Shin's calc was re-done in the same blog to be a hair's thread away from Large Star level+.Okay, fair.
By the way, I noticed that Goku is Large Star level+ as a Super Saiyan for scaling to Shin, but Shin's profile has him scaling to "At least Large Star level".
There is an inconsistency here.
Cell and buu saga scaling is screwed, sorry. Shin is large star+ due to his own feat and cell saga Goku scales to him, despite that cell saga Goku is not large star+.Okay, fair.
By the way, I noticed that Goku is Large Star level+ as a Super Saiyan for scaling to Shin, but Shin's profile has him scaling to "At least Large Star level".
There is an inconsistency here.
That would still make it Large Star level.It should be changed, because Shin's calc was re-done in the same blog to be a hair's thread away from Large Star level+.
You would have to ask the Dragon Ball experts about that, then. But I'm guessing that universal energy shenanigans would make the feat scale to Shin's AP and durability via ki, but again, the DB experts could prolly elaborate more than that.That would still make it Large Star level.
Also, the nature of the feat itself seems ambiguous. I'm not really seeing where the scaling for Shin's durability comes from from this off-screen creation feat.
Isn't calcing it based off of that a really highball approach for an unspecified creation feat? Why not just calc creating the Sun?You would have to ask the Dragon Ball experts about that, then. But I'm guessing that universal energy shenanigans would make the feat scale to Shin's AP and durability via ki, but again, the DB experts could prolly elaborate more than that.
Also the feat would need to be recalc'd. R136a1's size is now 39.2 solar radii and has a solar mass ranging from 184 to 260 with an averaged value of 215 shown.
Perfect Super Saiyan just has better stamina and it is accepted as being as strong as normal super saiyanDidn't Goku improve his Super Saiyan transformation during the Cell Arc? So it wouldn't necessarily be a 50x multiplier anymore.
That would imply it's bigger than a 50x multiplier. Star Level Buu Saga Goku is beyond just a low ball, it's pretty much downplaying the character's power.Backscaling from his performance later on the Buu Arc seems a bit much.
Because shin can create any star in the universe, meaning he has to be able to create the biggest star not just stars as big as the sun.Isn't calcing it based off of that a really highball approach for an unspecified creation feat? Why not just calc creating the Sun?
Can I see the statement for Shin creating any star in the Universe?Because shin can create any star in the universe, meaning he has to be able to create the biggest star not just stars as big as the sun.
This is a really good point. I was about to mention this, but there's no reason for Akira Toriyama to have had recent studies or measurements in mind when writing this stuff back in the mid-90s.Also, if we're being strictly accurate, shouldn't we use the measurements that were available at the time when the chapter was originally published if that is the case?
It's not a statement. Shin is a god of creation and is responsible for creating celestial bodies in the universe, which includes stars, and this would have to include the largest stars as well.Can I see the statement for Shin creating any star in the Universe?
Also, if we're being strictly accurate, shouldn't we use the measurements that were available at the time when the chapter was originally published if that is the case?
In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, coming out in March 2013, a new god, the “God of Destruction”, appears. In this [book], Kaiō-sama and Kaiōshin-sama are described as “Gods of Creation”, but do they have the power to create things like planets?
Rather than Kaiōshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets. Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaiō-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world’s balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don’t get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaiōshin’s orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction.
Well, shit.Translations | Chōzenshū 1 – We Asked Akira Toriyama! 2013
The first Chōzenshū Q&A session with Dragon Ball original author Akira Toriyamawww.kanzenshuu.com
So this debunks the whole feat, right?Translations | Chōzenshū 1 – We Asked Akira Toriyama! 2013
The first Chōzenshū Q&A session with Dragon Ball original author Akira Toriyamawww.kanzenshuu.com
Given the evidence, I'm afraid it looks like that.So this debunks the whole feat, right?
Translations | Chōzenshū 1 – We Asked Akira Toriyama! 2013
The first Chōzenshū Q&A session with Dragon Ball original author Akira Toriyamawww.kanzenshuu.com
Relax, he'll still be At least High 4-C via being stronger than Piccolo, just that we axe the "create celestial bodies" part. And the +.Things ain't looking so pretty for shin
Because he scales well above the Androids who can shit-face pre-RoSAT training Vegeta (Android 18 shattering SSJ1 Vegeta's arm).Wait, do we even know why Cell Saga Base Goku >= 100% Frieza/Frieza Saga SSj1 Goku?
Was ever stated that Cell Saga Goku was stronger than the Androids in Base?Because he scales well above the Androids who can shit-face pre-RoSAT training Vegeta (Android 18 shattering SSJ1 Vegeta's arm).