doesnt change the values. that scaling is inherently based on transitive scaling anyway so it literally changes nothing
It would, if it's inconsistent, it's inconsistent and gets tossed.
this again? Okay then other verses get upgraded with far less evidence. Give me 6D DBH now
Yes, wiki standards, extraordinary multipliers, especially in stacks, require extraordinary evidence, and lad, you realize DBZ is MFTL+++, via a
rel feat. Literally, the most generous stat given on the entire wiki.
DBZ gets away with the absolute extreme my dude.
no your argument really is just that bad and I literally quoted what you wrote how the hell is it a strawman when it is your EXACT message??
My argument is wiki standards dog, it doesn't check out.
"If a random 9-B, whose feats and actual direct scaling all but place him there, had a 5x statement, and he fought a dude with a 4x statement, and he was 1/18th of this dude, who is 1/1000th this other dude, who is 8x stronger after training and fought another dude who in turn has a 80x statement, and he's 1/14th this other dude at 3% power and at 100% he fights this other dude, who has a 100x statement, and then he blows up the universe."
This, is
exactly what's happening. And ****, you could take it further, why stop at Frieza? Why not start the downscaling from Cell or even DBS? You could, is 3-B Raditz fine because "the multipliers ok in a vacuum"? of course not, it's blatantly not substantiated by anything and blatantly doesnt align with feats that take effort at that point.
And yes, strawman, me saying "yeah id be ok if we just did basic upscaling and A>B>C", isn't the same as me saying "hey let's treat them identically to the calced value".
except you're being neither fair nor consistent by your own admission you're placing an arbitrary limit on where multipliers can be used and why and when I ask the reason your reason just boils down to "no feats and statements"
"Raditz is secretly 100000x above Frieza's supernova because we can downscale him off Cell".
Yes, imagine that, stacking two dozen multi and fractions, getting an unfounded, contradictory, not backed by anything value, is going to be scrutinized and asked if consistent.
Like, as op mentioned, you can do the same shit to early DB. Is Goku who was floored by High 8-C attacks, 5-A now too?
which prompts me to suggest that we scale everyone below vegeta to moon level and everyone below first form frieza to planet level which you literally said was fine and a "nice way"
Yeah to a degree, Raditz would probably edge into planet lv, Piccolo's moon bust is akin to that. Which, actually fits with the progression anyway, Roshi > Sup Kamehameha > Early Z Piccolo, etc.
Like man, idk what to tell you, but taking a hundred distinct statements, multipliers, gaps, lining them all up and acting as if that shit will perfectly check out, in reverse no less, is unrealistic. It simply doesn't.