Not to my knowledge, but SSJ1 Goku scales to Perfect Cell, who is >>>>>>> Semi-Perfect Cell who is > Imperfect Cell who is >>>>>>>>>>> Android 16 who is >>>>> Android Twins and pre-Kami-fusion Piccolo who are >>>>>>> Android Saga SSJ1 Vegeta who is comparable to Trunks who can shit-face Mecha Frieza who in turn is much stronger than his previous 100% self which is 4-C.
Hmmm, that ain't it.
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Buu saga only, Shin scales to cell saga Goku, actually, this upgrade isn't over, base Goku in the buu saga does scale above shin, so just apply the SSJ multiplier to that.
This upgrade is about Buu Saga Base Goku, after all.
Bro, at the beginning of the thread, I suggested this exact upgrade and you told me to hush. Base goku should be large star for scaling above shin.
I'm pretty sure this isn't how things work here, a jump of tier of this magnitude isn't allowed, not without more evidence aside for scaling (feats, statements and guidebooks)
I'm pretty sure there was more to it than that, but it seems I'mma have to ask DDM about it.
I mean, if the cast is back to At least 4-C for the Androids Saga, how do we deal with the High 4-C stuff? It's pretty damn obvious there's no proper way to backscale from SSJ2 or getting smacked around by Majin Buu.
Means we just have to start looking for it.
Agreed. Though it probably won't be easy
FTFY
He'll be solar system level but no one will scale since his SSJ was stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Goku was stronger than everyone else. He thought he could beat buu despite knowing that SSJ2 vegeta stood no chance. So he should be stronger than the SSJ2s, wait... if SSJ Gotenks scales to the SSJ2s that means pre rosat he'd be 50x above SSJ2 Gohan wtf.
Didn't SSJ2 Majin Vegeta get turned into a complete joke by Innocent Buu? Post-resurrection SSJ2 Vegeta could barely hold his own against Kid Buu.
Wasn't that only in the movie?
Shin is also stated to be equal to cell saga SSJ Goku.
Equal? Pretty sure it was made clear that Goku, Vegeta and Gohan were all stronger than Shin in their SSj1 forms.
Buu Saga Goku and Geets had been training for several years before Shin even arrived in the Budokai Tournament. Gohan, not so much. Their SSJ1 forms then would be stronger than their Cell Saga SSJ1 forms.
Also darkdragonmdjhdjh, I have read your blog and were did you get that base gohan was stronger than shin pre training? Base Gohan only surpassed shin after training with the Z sword. Also it's SSJ gohan vs dabura not SSJ2, so gohans power stagnated as a SSJ in the buu saga and is as strong as his cell saga self meaning. Shin = Goku < SSJ Gohan = SSJ Gohan buu saga <<< Dabura = Perfect cell.
Okay I read the manga and it's weird. IDK If I can share a manga site here so I won't, but it's chapter 473. We see base gohan unable to lift it, then SSj gohan strugles to lift it but is able to pull it out, but the strange thing is right after, base gohan is holding it and swinging it around with difficulty, that looks to me that base gohan was already stronger than shin, but that contradicts the scaling, I think base gohan lifting it right after struggling with it in SSJ is an outlier since he couldn't budge it at all at first lol.
Ki correlates to all aspects of your physicals (Punching, striking and lifting) and speed (Combat speed, reactions, travel speed) into one massive pool which means you can use either of those smaller aspects to scale a character above another unless shown or stated otherwise, we recently found the Daizenshuu scan to support it on a DB speed CRT.
