BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Bastolan27]

Taught it stopped after mugetsu was used. Because he stopped having rapid evolution. Talking about when Aizen said he was lonely being the strongest.

It started working for him again in the Muken; that's why his reiatsu increased so much.


Headcanon: He doesn't evolve because he doesn't want to be the Soul King anymore.

 

[Reio35]

So, does Bleach have anything layered other than soul manip?

You can argue yhwach has layered future manipulation for being able to affect aizen who's immune to the Kotostu's future/past manipulation.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Great

Yo I'm working on Burn the witch Bruno profile. I want to know if I should create a seperate Verse page or we can just add the page to Bleach verse page only. Also can we give Soul physiology to the burn the witch characters?

hold on for a bit

Wonderweiss profile has him injuring Yamamoto as a justification for his H6A rating, but Yamamoto has 5C dura, so Centurion doesn't scale to Yama for what reason?

Because it just wasn't updated

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hit up Deceived and I off site, we are planning to add BtW as a new verse and make a Kuboverse page to put Bleach, Zombie Powder, and BtW

Check discord. I will contact you there

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Hit up Deceived and I off site, we are planning to add BtW as a new verse and make a Kuboverse page to put Bleach, Zombie Powder, and BtW

where does BtW scale by the way if it isn't a bother to ask

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

where does BtW scale by the way if it isn't a bother to ask

Tier 8 as far as I can tell.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

BtW will be like tier 9/8 with supersonic speeds

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Cinderella might scale to tier 7 If take the destruction she caused. I'm not sure though

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That ain’t tier 7

 

[Deceived3596]

Zombie Powder and Burn the Witch have some pretty similar scaling for the most part.

Gamma is probably faster than anyone in Burn the Witch, but characters like Cinderella probably have better AP scaling and abilities. Cinderella, for example, can erase herself from existence, similar to The Vanishing Point, and cause attacks to phase through her body. She also has some pretty massive AOE spam.

 

[Excellence616]

I think we also need a page explaining comprehensively and extensively the nature of Souls and Bleach power Systems.

 

[Ped2018]

Because it just wasn't updated

Oh

 

[Ovy7]

New Kubo Klub stuff (credit to MShadows from fanverse):

Royd Lloyd, the younger brother, has the ability to replicate the memories and likeness of others, but why is he capable of using Yhwach’s abilities and weapons? Did he inherit his elder brothers ability? Or perhaps Yhwach gave him some of his power? Or is there another reason?

Kubo: The Royd brothers can each FULLY copy either “memory” or “power” respectively, while everything else is copied in proportion of 70~80%. Just being able to copy memories or power wouldn’t be of much use.

This means that Royd/Fake Yhwach had like 70-80% of real Yhwach's power.

 

[Lynieryz]

Kubo: The Royd brothers can each FULLY copy either “memory” or “power” respectively, while EVERYTHING ELSE is copied in proportion of 70~80%. Just being able to copy memories or power wouldn’t be of much use.

This means that Royd/Fake Yhwach had like 70-80% of real Yhwach's power.

I don't think that's what that means[at least according to this translation, I don't know the original], he said that Royd&Lloyd copy 100% of the power and memory and that the rest is 70%-80% and the rest in the context of this question would be abilities and weapons.

but why is he capable of using Yhwach’s abilities and weapons?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't think that's what that means[at least according to this translation, I don't know the original], he said that Royd&Lloyd copy 100% of the power and memory and that the rest is 70%-80% and the rest in the context of this question would be abilities and weapons.

No Ovy is correct, cuz one of the twins has the ability to copy power (so they copy 100% of power 70-80% everything else) while the other has the ability to copy memory (so they copy 100% of the memories and 70-80% of everything else)

 

[Ovy7]

Yep, that's pretty much what Kubo himself says at the start:

The Royd brothers can each FULLY copy either “memory” or “power” respectively

 

[Lynieryz]

This means that Royd/Fake Yhwach had like 70-80% of real Yhwach's power.

??? Ovy said that Royd only copied 70-80% of the power my comment was in relation to that.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What part of the logic don’t you follow? Royd copied 100% of Yhwach’s memories (since his schrift enables the complete copying of memories) and therefore only copied 70-80% of the rest (the rest including power).

 

[Lynieryz]

What part of the logic don’t you follow? Royd copied 100% of Yhwach’s memories (since his schrift enables the complete copying of memories) and therefore only copied 70-80% of the rest (the rest including power).

Isn't Royd the guy who copies power?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No, Royd memories, Loyd power

 

[Lynieryz]

No, Royd memories, Loyd power

Oops, I confused the two, forget everything I said.

 

[Lynieryz]

Spoiler: Profiles

Loly Aivirrne

Loly Aivirrne (ロリ·アイヴァーン, Rori Aivān) is the 33rd Arrancar in Sōsuke Aizen's army. She and Menoly Mallia served as Aizen's aides. Tier: 6-B, higher with Resurrección Keys: Arrancar Arc Name: Loly Aivirrne, Arrancar #33[1] Origin: Bleach Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Soul, Hollow...

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Emilou Apacci

Emilou Apacci (エミルー・アパッチ, Emirū Apacchi) is the 54th Arrancar in Sōsuke Aizen's army and one of Tier Harribel's three Fracción, collectively known as the Tres Bestias. Tier: 6-B, higher with Resurrección Keys: Arrancar Arc Name: Emilou Apacci, Apache[1], Arrancar #54[2] Origin: Bleach Gender...

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Dondochakka Birstanne

Dondochakka Birstanne (ドンドチャッカ・ビルスタン, Dondochakka Birusutan) is one of Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck's Fracciónes, alongside Pesche Guatiche. Tier: 6-B, at least 6-B with Cero Sincrético Name: Dondochakka Birstanne, Arrancar #42[2] Origin: Bleach Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Soul, Hollow...

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Yylfordt Granz

Yylfordt Granz (イールフォルト・グランツ, Īruforuto Gurantsu) is Arrancar Quince (15) in Sōsuke Aizen's army and one of Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez's five Fracción. He is the older brother of Szayelaporro Granz, the 8th Espada. Tier: 6-B, higher with Resurrección Keys: Arrancar Arc Name: Yylfordt Granz, Arrancar...

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Nakeem Grindina

Sonido.[1] Nakeem Grindina (ナキーム・グリンディーナ, Nakīmu Gurindīna) is Arrancar Catorce (14) in Sōsuke Aizen's army and one of Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez's five Fracción. Tier: 7-B, likely at least 7-B, higher with Resurrección Keys: Arrancar Arc Name: Nakeem Grindina, Arrancar #14[2] Origin: Bleach Gender...

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Pesche Guatiche

There's only one path left for us to take now! Nel-sama... Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck-sama is dead. With her mask broken, robbed of her powers and memories lost, the person before us is no longer Nel-sama! Therefore... we shall protect her... from Nnoitra, from Szayelaporro, from pain, from...

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Tesra Lindocruz

Tesra Lindocruz (テスラ·リンドクルツ, Tesura Rindokurutsu; Viz: Tesla Lindocruz) is the 50th Arrancar in Sōsuke Aizen's army and Nnoitra Gilga's only Fracción. Tier: 6-B, higher with Resurrección Name: Tesra Lindocruz, Tesla Lindocruz, Arrancar #50[2] Origin: Bleach Gender: Male Age: Unknown...

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Gantenbainne Mosqueda

Get up Yasutora Sado. I know that you are still hiding some power. You're very strong, that's no way for a guy like you to fight. In the name of God, let us have a fair fight. Gantenbainne Mosqueda (ガンテンバイン・モスケーダ, Gantenbain Mosukēda) is the 107th Arrancar in Sōsuke Aizen's army. Tier: 6-B...

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Menoly Mallia

Menoly Mallia (メノリ•マリア, Menori Maria) is the 34th Arrancar in Sōsuke Aizen's army. She and Loly Aivirrne served as Aizen's aides. Tier: 6-B, higher with Resurrección Name: Menoly Mallia, Arrancar #34[1] Origin: Bleach Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Soul, Hollow, Arrancar, Fracción...

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Choe Neng Poww

Choe Neng Poww (チーノン・ポウ, Chīnon Pō) is the 25th Arrancar in Sōsuke Aizen's army and one of Baraggan Louisenbairn's six Fracción. Tier: 6-B, higher with Resurrección Name: Choe Neng Poww, Arrancar #25[1] Origin: Bleach Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Soul, Hollow, Arrancar, Fracción...

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The profiles have been created.

If you guys are able and have the time, can y'all go through and add needed categories/renders, it would help me out a ton.

Regarding this, should the categories of powers that are on the physiology page be added too?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

BtW will be like tier 9/8 with supersonic speeds

Can't wait for Captain and Director cross scaling in 2031

 

[Valeska24]

A decent amount of abilities/resistances are layered, but aren't currently accepted as layered.

Examples would include: As Nodt's Fear Manipulation, Quincies EE, Nianzol's Spatial Manipulation etc.

I was actually planning to open a layer revision on Nödt's fear manipulation

Tartar foras>base Nödt fear mp > general fear resistance of souls

 

[Reio35]

Interesting so that means royd is relative to 1st invasion yhwach

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yup, also helps explain why Royd for no reason is so ******* strong, he can copy up to 80% of Yhwach’s power

 

[Excellence616]

Yup, also helps explain why Royd for no reason is so ******* strong, he can copy up to 80% of Yhwach’s power

And also show how power Yhwach is that at 80% he can stomp Pre Mommy Training Kenpachi.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

And also show how power Yhwach is that at 80% he can stomp Pre Mommy Training Kenpachi.

I want Kenpachi's training.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

WELP, CRT incoming guys, see ya'll later

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

WELP, CRT incoming guys, see ya'll later

What CRT?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Upgrading Yama to Huge Thug Ass Level

 

[Naeblis495]

Upgrading Yama to Huge Thug Ass Level

Wank

 

[Crobatman44]

I'll assume for Royd we'll just go at least 70% possibly 80% in terms of Yhwach power copied?

 

[Lynieryz]

If Lloyd has 70% of Yhwach's speed, wouldn't that increase Yhwach's speed by 30%?Do they scale to the same value?

 

[KingogKings777]

If Lloyd has 70% of Yhwach's speed, wouldn't that increase Yhwach's speed by 30%?Do they scale to the same value?

Maybe?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Ah

So it seems

Cour 1 100% Yhwach>Bankai Yamamoto>>>70%-80% Cour 1 Yhwach=Shikai Yamamoto

 

[skippy]

Ah

So it seems

Cour 1 100% Yhwach>Bankai Yamamoto>>>70%-80% Cour 1 Yhwach=Shikai Yamamoto

Based on what was said i would still put Bankai Yama>=Yhwach. Yama was dominating fake Yhwach after all.

 

[Bastolan27]

Beating Yhwach at 70% doesn't make Yama stronger than 100%.

 

[skippy]

Beating Yhwach at 70% doesn't make Yama stronger than 100%.

If i lift 80 pounds easily,i will most likely also be able to lift 100 pounds easily.

I dont see why Yama cant be stronger than Og Yhwach if he already beat a clone at 70-80% strength easily.

 

[Lynieryz]

Well the strength difference between Lloyd Yhwach and Yhwach is only a 1.30x difference, I don't think that's enough for Yamamoto to not be able to handle, if the increase in strength is linear with the percentage, of course.