BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Makai641001]

Dude it's funny how it's considered as outliers when Yhwach was literally trying to nuke the verse and recreate something new. I like it how people just brush off bleach characters feats by words like outliers. Anyway If it doens't scale to others it should have scaled fo Yhwach, Ichigo and Aizen who objectively has statement to be on Soul King level.

Gremmy doesn’t scale to his creations.

Yhwach has to use the unbalance to destroy everything hence why his objective Is to « Crush the air of this pitiful Soul Society »

Destroying half the balance would cause the destruction of everything

 

[Makai641001]

You think it'll be accepted that he's destroying the entire planet? It's currently surface wiping iirc

Yeah the calc Is accepted as Surface destruction/water vaporisation

My bad, he didn't say that, although he did say he was involved in pretty much every step on the anime's production at around 3:25

definitely should be canon

Kubo stated he's been checking the anime script since the beginning of the arrancar arc,but with the tybw he's even more involved

Nice do you have the source ?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gremmy doesn’t scale to his creations.

Yhwach has to use the unbalance to destroy everything hence why his objective Is to « Crush the air of this pitiful Soul Society »

Destroying half the balance would cause the destruction of everything

Damn now I trust you man. You definitely read Bleach in reels . You don't have to spit it out this loud you know.

 

[Deceived3596]

Gremmy doesn’t scale to his creations.

Yhwach has to use the unbalance to destroy everything hence why his objective Is to « Crush the air of this pitiful Soul Society »

Destroying half the balance would cause the destruction of everything

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You think it'll be accepted that he's destroying the entire planet? It's currently surface wiping iirc

Statement contextualized it with entire SS, it should be the planet

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Soul society Is the Planet the dimensions have no name iirc every source say the SS Is the Planet

CFYOW
Manga diagrams
Memories of nobody
Databook

Lmao read the series and come back, a nice try at trolling but a failed one

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Always remember Butterfly Aizen creamed his pants at believing he had attained hilltop busting power then shat himself when he realized it was actually Ichigo who did it

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Always remember Butterfly Aizen creamed his pants at believing he had attained hilltop busting power then shat himself when he realized it was actually Ichigo who did it

Downgrading Bijuudama to pulv

 

[Reio35]

Always remember Butterfly Aizen creamed his pants at believing he had attained hilltop busting power then shat himself when he realized it was actually Ichigo who did it

4D hill

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Downgrading Bijuudama to pulv

Sounds kinda based ngl

 

[AnimesFreak2]

4D hill

I want you to remember to lock your doors tonight

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Yhwach has to use the unbalance to destroy everything hence why his objective Is to « Crush the air of this pitiful Soul Society »

Destroying half the balance would cause the destruction of everything

please dont bring the argument that SK YH was only messing with the balance of souls, cus thats already been denied

if u mean that base YH at the start of the war was trying to destroy the balance then u are right

 

[skippy]

We will be seeing Gremmy vs Kenpachi in ep17.

 

[KingogKings777]

I want you to remember to lock your doors tonight

It would be 6D since, Butterfly Aizen = 4D, Dangai/Monster Aizen = 5D, Mugetsu = 6D.

 

[Makai641001]

Damn now I trust you man. You definitely read Bleach in reels . You don't have to spit it out this loud you know.

Gremmy can amp his own imagination using clones.

The only thing that scales Is his RW his physicals aren’t impacted.

He would die if it wasn’t for his imagination to save him meaning his individual durability does not scale to his creation

He was in shock when he saw Kenpachi cutting the meteor and said he Is a monster

He wouldn’t physically be able to scale on his creation

Lmao read the series and come back, a nice try at trolling but a failed one

CFYOW says planets which is backed up by Toshiro in Memories of Nobody and the databook and Also shown in the Manga

Iirc it’s Askin that says that Yhwatch plans on « destroying the AIR of this pitiful SS »

We Also know he talks about planets Here

So i didn’t know there were evidence contradicting ALL the canons but show them to me instead of acting like this

 

[Makai641001]

please dont bring the argument that SK YH was only messing with the balance of souls, cus thats already been denied

if u mean that base YH at the start of the war was trying to destroy the balance then u are right

Yeah it was his goal at the beginning of the arc I mean what would be better to unbalance souls than destroying the planet where like a third of the souls exist

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gremmy can amp his own imagination using clones.

The only thing that scales Is his RW his physicals aren’t impacted.

He would die if it wasn’t for his imagination to save him meaning his individual durability does not scale to his creation

He was in shock when he saw Kenpachi cutting the meteor and said he Is a monster

He wouldn’t physically be able to scale on his creation

.....
Here we go again.

 

[Makai641001]

.....
Here we go again.

How about explaining shit instead of dodging the point and just saying « read bleach »

 

[Deceived3596]

Makai proving he's an AKM alt account with these arguments.

 

[Makai641001]

Makai proving he's an AKM alt account with these arguments.

W Deceived

still could y’all explain ???

 

[Deceived3596]

W Deceived

That wasn't a compliment, AKM's arguments are ******* dogshit.

 

[Makai641001]

That wasn't a compliment, AKM's arguments are ******* dogshit.

Idek who that is

But could y’all please explain why it’s dogshit so i’ll learn

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Idek who that is

But could y’all please explain why it’s dogshit so i’ll learn

Literally skim through any prior Bleach threads, reread the series, or make a downgrade thread and you’ll learn when 55th shows up

 

[Deceived3596]

Idek who that is

But could y’all please explain why it’s dogshit so i’ll learn

Bureaucrat.

I'll let Arc explain it since you quoted him, i'll maybe explain why your argument for Gremmy's imagination not scaling to his physicals isn't a good one if Nightmare doesn't wish to explain why.

 

[Makai641001]

Literally skim through any prior Bleach threads, reread the series, or make a downgrade thread and you’ll learn when 55th shows up

Could you send said thread.

idek what 55th is either

 

[Makai641001]

Bureaucrat.

I'll let Arc explain it since you quoted him, i'll maybe explain why your argument for Gremmy's imagination not scaling to his physicals isn't a good one if Nightmare doesn't wish to explain why.

Ok so he scales in durability to something that can crush his body ?
I might be missing something but I don’t really understand how

 

[Makai641001]

Is it because he can imagine his body hardening to survive ?

Cause if so it ain’t his base physicals idk if we mix both but it’s weird

 

[KingogKings777]

How about explaining shit instead of dodging the point and just saying « read bleach »

Reading is hard I know, but read Bleach.

 

[Makai641001]

Reading is hard I know, but read Bleach.

Did like 3x it’s more about vsbw rules that I might ignore

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

How about explaining shit instead of dodging the point and just saying « read bleach »

It's been debunked many times I am just tired of seeing the same shit again and again. Beside I stopped caring about Tiktok scalers . don't care about your fan fiction theories of bleach

 

[Deceived3596]

Ok so he scales in durability to something that can crush his body ?
I might be missing something but I don’t really understand how

You aren't understanding that Gremmy's statement about the meteor isn't a refutation to version of Gremmy which people argue to be 3-B because that's a previous, much weaker version of Gremmy that made said statement, while the version that people argue to be 3-B is massively amped by multiple clones. You can't logically prove that the previous version of Gremmy holds any barring to the version which is 3-B, meaning it would be a useless point of contention.

Hence why it isn't a good argument.

 

[KingogKings777]

Did like 3x it’s more about vsbw rules that I might ignore

Do it again.

 

[Makai641001]

You aren't understanding that Gremmy's statement about the meteor isn't a refutation to version of Gremmy which people argue to be 3-B because that's a previous, much weaker version of Gremmy that made said statement, while the version that people argue to be 3-B is massively amped by multiple clones. You can't logically prove that the previous version of Gremmy holds any barring to the version which is 3-B, meaning it would be a useless point of contention.

Hence why it isn't a good argument.

Okay so
2 Gremmy can create a Continental meteor but would normally die touched by it

2 Gremmy think it’s impossible to destroy said meteor

7 Gremmy create « outer space »

So the fact that there is more Gremmy means he would better scale to his creations if I understand correctly

Tho 7 Gremmy is 3.5 x more than 2 Gremmy and each Gremmy is the addition of the original imagination power which is what I don’t understand

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Okay so
2 Gremmy can create a Continental meteor but would normally die touched by it

2 Gremmy think it’s impossible to destroy said meteor

7 Gremmy create « outer space »

So the fact that there is more Gremmy means he would better scale to his creations if I understand correctly

Tho 7 Gremmy is 3.5 x more than 2 Gremmy and each Gremmy is the addition of the original imagination power which is what I don’t understand

You’re committing an AoE fallacy by claiming the meteor limits his AP.

 

[Deceived3596]

Okay so
2 Gremmy can create a Continental meteor but would normally die touched by it

2 Gremmy think it’s impossible to destroy said meteor

7 Gremmy create « outer space »

So the fact that there is more Gremmy means he would better scale to his creations if I understand correctly

Tho 7 Gremmy is 3.5 x more than 2 Gremmy and each Gremmy is the addition of the original imagination power which is what I don’t understand

He would scale to his creations as long as he imagines himself scaling towards them, which is what he did with the meteor. This would logically be the samething with Galaxy room, it isn't a hard argument to grasp and understand.

 

[Makai641001]

You’re committing an AoE fallacy by claiming the meteor limits his AP.

I mean he thought that Zaraki was a physical monster for destroying it

 

[Deceived3596]

That isn't a counter to what Arc's saying.......

 

[Makai641001]

He would scale to his creations as long as he imagines himself scaling towards them, which is what he did with the meteor. This would logically be the samething with Galaxy room, it isn't a hard argument to grasp and understand.

Wouldn’t that be a kind of NLF tho ?

And if he has to imagine himself scaling to it it ain’t his base durability
The profiles could indicate that it varies through his imagination power

 

[Makai641001]

That isn't a counter to what Arc's saying.......

So you think he would be able to physically destroy something that Zaraki destroyed and caused Gremmy’s shock ?

 

[Deceived3596]

Wouldn’t that be a kind of NLF tho ?

And if he has to imagine himself scaling to it it ain’t his base durability
The profiles could indicate that it varies through his imagination power

It wouldn't be because he created the thing in the first place, it would be a NLF to say he can imagine himself being comparable to anything, which isn't the claim i'm making. All i'm saying is that Gremmy can increase his physical stats to the point they're stronger than his creations, which is shown with the meteor, without further contradiction in the Manga this should be assumed scalable to all of his creations, which would include Galaxy Room.