Oh, I understand it got new abilities. It can’t be stolen because only Yhwach knew about its true powers, potentially via Almighty. (Yamamoto didn’t used those abilities in the past but Yhwach knew everything that was going to happen up to Ichibei’s dead- which reminds me- why didn’t he saw Aizen putting him under KS again?)
He didn’t. Neither did Kubo at the time.
Same can be said about the opposite line.
Everything at that point in time. Yamamoto’s Bankai wasn’t revealed yet. And neither was Yhwach or Soul King and transcendent Aizen still doesn’t compare to the God tiers at the end of the manga who didn’t exist when that statement was made.
No evidence for him to scale. By evidence, Ichigo > Yhwach > Muken Aizen > Transcendent Aizen
Bankai Yamamoto holding back scales to this true. Let’s not ignore Yammoto overtime feat is because he literally is holding back to not wipe everything.
Let's also not ignore the fact that the feat can be lowballed to 6-A (actually it can be lowballed to Low 6-B if you only use the temperature statement to scale since that's a verbatim number), unlike the feat Aizen scales above (Senna's being Low 5-B+). Yama's feat is more dubious as to whether or not it's surface level or planetary, wherein WSK stability is very clearly planetary (assuming planet sized realms).
You could argue for that. As I could argue for the opposite base on what happened to the floor once Yamamoto cut it with his bankai’s first ability, not the existence erasure one.
Aizen scales above this feat because a databook says he transcends everything. Which is not only proven not true when certain beings exist above him in power in the last arc, but is kind of vague given Senna is neither Shinigami or hollow. She is a strange phenomenon of nature.
Both have the same amount of vagueness and evidence to argue each side as I stated above.
A casual Yamamoto holding back not to destroy Soul Society. Intentionally, Yamamoto never went all out.
Correct.
The same guy that was stated to not be a Soul King candidate because he wasn’t part Quincy?
The size of the realms is useless in this discussion as it applies to both characters.
I wonder if you guys will continue to scale Aizen to every single being that shows up in the future just because of an outdated statement. If Aizen was superior to everything - why didn’t he one shot Yhwach and went back to prison?
Base Aizen feared facing off against Yamamoto and created an arrancar to seal his shikai. Base Aizen feared Kenpachi so much he trapped him in Hueco Mundo until he was ready to fight him after becoming transcendent. Same Kenpachi that Yamamoto feared would become even stronger and refused to train him. Yamamoto who is said to be stronger than Yhwach’s elite guards which includes Lille Barro a “God” confirmed by the God slaying sword of the Ise clan. Aizen been a God means nothing. (Hikone, Ginjo, and Ichigo aren’t Gods either.) Even the novels say Soul King isn’t a God, but a king, and Gantenbainne even worshiped Barragan as a God with his cult according to Kubo. Base Yhwach was able to steal Yamamoto’s Bankai and was stated to be able to wield it. That alone supports his position as the strongest Quincy even in Base and able to defeat Gremmy in combat. The second strongest Quincy able to create worlds, stars, etc. Base Yhwach is already above transcendent Aizen and Yhwach even took precautions from facing Yamamoto’s Bankai like Aizen did against Yamamoto’s Shikai. Heck, we even have hints that Yamamoto and Quilge were transcendent. Just because you don’t like how it contradicts your scaling or the current VSBW doesn’t mean is not there.
Nope go reread my thread
…….. you are aware he didn’t concede right? Him pointing you to his thread is him presenting an argument of his own making that is about the topic at hand. Your refusal to read it is the concession in this case, ironically enough.No. I don’t think I will. Concession accepted. (Rule 4)
Transcended everything statement comes from databook. Also nothing debunks that because it's refering to Aizen Transcending soul reapers and hollows. Ichigo is different breed and yhwach was a Quincy.
. Muken Aizen scales in different way.
It was central 46 who feared his power... I mean this is the same old man who also defeating Yhwach in the past and challenging him 1v1 battle, I don't think he really scared to Zaraki.
He didn't answer. He avoided the question by telling me to go read something in another thread. Instead of linking said threat or quoting himself. Is not my job to find the "argument" counter for him. He is resposinble for presenting it. Also stop licking arse.
Senna is not a normal shinigami either. Transcendent Aizen doesn't scale either from a hyperbole flavory outdated info.Transcended everything statement comes from databook. Also nothing debunks that because it's refering to Aizen Transcending soul reapers and hollows. Ichigo is different breed and yhwach was a Quincy.
After fight Monster Aizen lost his power
It was Yamamoto's desicion to stop training him not central 46. Central 46 told Shunsui about it.
Aizen is still transcendent and able to kill people near him. He got even stronger Urahara's word.
Transcendency is different people really don't understand that.
I believe TS definitely stronger than Dangai but transcendency stuff is different.
He killed the hollows. He didn’t made their bodies parts disappeared unlike Aizen. Starkk is not special. All the captains were also able to kill Hollows with their Reiatsu 13 km away during their first confrontation in Fake Karakura Town when Aizen first arrived.
He said he got stronger from the last time he fought Aizen. There is a difference.
Transcendent is went the Reiatsu can’t be sense and Ichigo was able to sense transcendent Aizen even before he became transcendent himself.
Hybrids can still have their Reiatsu sense. Ginjo. Hikone.
That was fake. Not the real translation.
Yeah. If Starkk can kill hollows by being near them then Muken Aizen who is stronger than FKT Aizen>>>Starkk should be able to erase random Shinigami as well
What happened at the end of the fight with Ichigo ? Aizen lost his powers as stated in both manga and anime. Kisuke said he got stronger since his fight with Ichigo so Aizen could've just gotten stronger in Base Form
Possibly because Ichigo like Aizen already had 2x reiatsu of a captain , being hybrid and potential transcendent being
I said you need to have both high reiatsu and biological be above other races to be transcendent. CFYOW is confusing when it comes to powerscaling so i won't delve into that
Maybe. I will find raws and get a proper translation
Starkk never erased anyone. He killed them. You can see their bodies in a pile.
He fused with his Zanpakutou to achieve a greater stage of evolution. During the seal the Hogyōku granted him his wish to become a normal Shinigami like once more and he weaken because of it. Over the 2 years in Muken he became stronger once more.
You need evidence that confirms it was base Aizen he was talking about. Last time they fought Aizen was not in base.
Ichigo didn’t need high Reiatsu to sense transcendent Aizen. Gin was defeating that same Ichigo and Gin isn’t transcendent.
Good.
That helps my other points in post 17,129.
You don't understamd my point. If starkk can kill hollows with his reiatsu then Muken Aizen who is massively stronger than Starkk should be able erase random Shinigami
He fused with the Zanpakuto sure , but i don't see how is in a greater state of evolution considering we see Aizen losing his hybrid transcended powers which us also backed up by statement that he lost his powers
Kisuke said he got stronger since his battle with Ichigo. You can literally see base Aizen with the seals and not his hogyoku forms
Ichigo possibly had mental blocks when he was fighting Gin.
Not the same ability. Killing hollows and erasing them is a different ability.
He evolved into a new transcendent form. After the Hogyōku granted him his wish to become normal he lost his new transcendent form.
There was no flashback in that scene to mentioned what Aizen he spoke of.
Headcanon.
Why? It will be refuse like universal Bleach.Make the crt apple
Come on Apple, give it a try
He evolved into a new transcendent form. After the Hogyōku granted him his wish to become normal he lost his new transcendent form.
