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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Muken Aizen negs Kenny and Hikane 😹. Well people are just blind to see that
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Just wait when Kubo will resume writing and make Ken a cheems to Aizen as usual,(jk I love a lot kenpachi) either way kenny can’t kill him either since he is still Muken (no one can kill him), Only one that can kill Aizen is Yhwach. Aizen just evolve and KS everyone as for now If he get out.
 
It would make sense for Aizen to be > Kenny when he comes back since Kenny only surpassed Aizen from 6 months before and now Aizen will have had another 12 years to get stronger in Muken. Hopefully Kenny has mastered his Bankai by the Hell Arc.
 
Yeah Kubo can easily have Aizen get passively stronger with Hogyoku. He could power cliff the whole cast with a 12 year skip
 
geezis said:
someone explain to me why the butterfly aizen statement applies to yama's bankai :cautious:
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We don't have a scaling chain between Butterflyzen and Bankai Yama on wiki.

Butterflyzen gets his scaling from the databooks stating he's WSK tier.

Bankai Yama gets his scaling above his Shikai self, above Gremmy, and with a 6-A supporting feat.

However, if you were to argue it, you'd argue that the numerous surpass everything/all shinigami statements would include Bankai Yama. As we find out in TYBW, Yama's Bankai is common knowledge to the Captains, thus there's no reason Aizen wouldn't be aware of it. Excluding that, Butterflyzen just has better scaling. At most Bankai Yama has overtime SS destruction scaling with Bankai, meanwhile Butterflyzen is scaling to the WSK who scales above Senna's Blank power which could destroy multiple realms (we classify as planets).
 
I thought it was only known to unohana ( cause she saw it a thousand years before), shunsui and juushiro ( cause they were his first students).
 
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Either way, you either use the statement Aizen made and argue that, or you just bring up how Aizen has way better feats and statements than Bankai Yama once he reaches his Butterfly state
 
Wait its pretty much shown that even Shunsui never saw Yama Bankai how would Aizen know. I mean when Shunsui remembering old days it's clearly shown after war against yhwach Yama never used his Bankai. Even Yama stated when he faught yhwach. Didn't he said yhwach has no idea about Yama Bankai?

Anyway i am not saying Yama bankai is stronger than monster Aizen but it clearly shows Aizen didn't know about Yama Bankai.
 
And yet , a lot of captains knew that water being evaporated = Yama's bankai , so Yama clearly talked about it.

And given that Aizen knew about of the most guarded secrets of the SS, i really have no problem beleiving he knew about Yama's if he feared him.
 
Naeblis495 said:
And yet , a lot of captains knew that water being evaporated = Yama's bankai , so Yama clearly talked about it.

And given that Aizen knew about of the most guarded secrets of the SS, i really have no problem beleiving he knew about Yama's if he feared him.
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Water being evaporated is talking about Yama getting serious and fighting in front line. We can clearly see only one who talked about Yama Bankai was Unohana.
 
If you don’t think Aizen knows about Zanka no Tachi that’s fine. His Butterfly form still has much better scaling than Bankai Yama regardless.
 
Yama is immensely powerful, arguably the strongest in terms of raw AP with his Bankai for the non God tiers. But the God tiers are just built different. And that’s being generous with Yama, you can argue base Yhwach > Bankai Yama, then you got characters like Ichibe that would scale even higher (not like Ichibe’s hax doesn’t neg Yama already tho). Hell you can make a case for Vollstandig Gerard and above level characters being above Bankai Yama 👀. By feats alone high end Gremmy meteor calcs ~ high end Bankai Yama calcs (treating SS as a planet), or if you use their cosmic metas they scale similar (if you wanna get really, really nutty Jugram thought Gremmy’s meteor was more of a threat to Yhwach than Yama’s Bankai’s passive energy output, so like active Bankai Yama > passive Bankai Yama < Gremmy’s meteor < 7 Gremmys < eyepatch ShiKen < no eyepatch ShiKen ~ Giant Gerard < V1 Gerard < V2 Gerard). Yama is nasty strong but he isn’t no diffing the top tiers of the verse, let alone competing with the God tiers.
 
Anyone know the raw kanji for this page of chapter 616?

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Ichibei is listed as a 1,000,000 years old by the light novels.

But Mimihagi was "cut down" by noble families and "cast down" to Soul Society Eons ago. That is one billion years.

Either this manga page is wrong, or the light novel info used to justified his age is not quite correct.
 
Eons is often a term used to exaggerate how "long ago" something happened, as in it isn't always literal. Using a direct number is better.
 
Ss is consistently stated to be 1 million years old. I think even kubo said it's 1 million years old so how can mimihagi be eons old?
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
that if he ever used his bankai again that he would not come back
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Yeah that statement. It's pretty obvious Yama never used the Bankai after he fought yhwach.

Anyway even Yama stated his Bankai abilities were unknown to yhwach who fought him. It's clearly implies his abilities were never shown to anyone. Even if Aizen got hold of some information still he wouldn't be able to know full extent of Yama Bankai.
 
could've been a power level sort of deal, the elites were incomplete so its only Yhwach who realistically has the power to yoink it.
 
M11UTD said:
Then how did Yhwach know no one besides can hold Yama's bankai without dying?
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Yamamoto (1,000 Years Ago Bankai) > every Quincy, except Base Yhwach. Current Bankai isn’t any stronger as we have statements that Yamamoto didn’t got any stronger. So It comes down to Bankai Yamamoto > Transcendent Aizen discussion all over again. We don’t have enough evidence to claim either of this topics, but enough evidence to argue for both if need to. ;-;
 
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