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I mean I've already explained my reasoning in the previous reply so there's no point in repeating myself. Either way the only point I care about is destroying the fullbring arc chars > dangai ichi and hog aizen meta lmao
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Apple really ignored Yama not getting stronger in TYBW smh.
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Transcendent Aizen would still be above Yamamoto after the time skip who was stated to be far above any other captain including Byakuya who is > Tsukishima
Or Transcendent Aizen > Yamamoto > Tokinada ~ Byakuya > Gerard > Quilge ~ FB Ichigo > lost agent arc Ginjo
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Q: So they wouldn’t be troubled by even Aizen-level opponents?
Kubo: They’re not quite at that level (laughs).
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Reduced to literal meme status lmao
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That’s not a legit comparison.
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You got a link to the interview?
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Here, they have scans for each division, Yama in division one iirc, and the one about Renji and others being below Aizen level is in the 6th division scan
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I mean scans look legit, I find it hard pressed to believe someone could fake those.
I wish it specified which Aizen lmao, I agree the most like Aizen being referred to is base Aizen tho. Considering no one could sense condom Aizen’s power, it makes no sense for anyone other than Ichigo to truly know his transcendent strength, albeit you could make a case Kisuke might have an idea based on his intellect + knowledge of Reio and Aizen + his TYBW statements.
Moreso I think the “Yama didn’t change in power” statement is a better contradiction to the Fullbring scale. Considering Aizen had witnessed Yama’s prep Shikai flames and is at least somewhat relative for harming base Yama when Yama’s own prep Shikai flames couldn’t even knock Yama out. Then Aizen claims to have surpassed all Shinigami and databooks verbatim state he did, which would place him above Shikai Yama. Shikai Yama being above some CFYOW characters, who in the FB scale are allegedly above transcendent Aizen.
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Yup
Feats, anti-feats and anti-statements and word from the author himself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your interpretation of vague scans lmao
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Mayuri is underrated for sure.
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Plot hole. Tsukishima defeated transcendent Aizen by traveling to the past of an alternative timeline. We know Tsukishima keeps his power boost in power because he told so to Byakuya when he traveled back in time to learned and teach Byakuya all his techniques.
In the best case scenario, Yamamoto and Ichibei scale above every shinigami including Transcendent Aizen.
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FTFY!
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He helped defeat Aizen. That doesn't mean he scales to him at all since we don't know the extent of his contribution in that fight.
Orihime's / Chad's knowledge on that is questionable anyway since neither of them were directly present for the fight.
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We literally see Tsukishima replacing Ichigo in the battle, and he is alone against Aizen. If he doesn’t scale to strength he could scale to speed to be able to cut Aizen and make him a good guy?
EDIT: The bold “helped” is not even mentioned. Is literally says he “defeated Aizen”.
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No, we have the unmasked statement that Aizen transcended all soul reapers, if Kubo said Yama didn't get stronger then it's finished, stop trying to push that scaling when even the author doesn't believe in it, at this point you are not accepting even the author’s words just to get your scaling accepted.
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Doesn't need to scale to speed for that to happen either.We literally see Tsukishima replacing Ichigo in the battle, and he is alone against Aizen. If he doesn’t scale to strength he could scale to speed to be able to cut Aizen and make him a good guy?
Fact is we know far too little about the whole thing so it's worthless to try and make that the basis of the entire scaling chain. We'd just be dealing with assumptions.
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Show me when the same databook says Transcendent Aizen cant defeat Kenpachi or Yamamoto
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Yamma didn’t get stronger than him been above Aizen in the data book.
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Apple right now is ready to fight Kubo himself just to prove that his scaling isn't wrong af
Prove this, Unmasked said the opposite:
最終融合
The Final Fusion
一護に遅れを感じたその刻、最後の変容を遂げる。全てを超越したその姿は、死神でも虚でもない、異形の姿だ った。
Feeling that he is falling behind Ichigo, Aizen achieves his final change of appearance. The appearance of a being transcending everything isn't like a shinigami's or a hollow's, the appearance is strange-looking.
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Where does it say that he is stronger than all Shinigami? It just says that his looks isn’t like a Shinigami or a Hollows.
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No idea why you're sending the page to me as if I haven't read it.
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Debunks the “helped” part you added to downplay the feat. Nowhere is stated to help defeat Aizen. He literally defeated him. The help part was on saving Rukia in the SS arc.
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It just means Kubo hasn't made this scene to be used as a piece of evidence that Tsukishima > God Aizen, right now there are enough proofs to claim that the FB scaling is just a fan narrative that doesn't fit into the story, the guy who wrote the story himself said the opposite, don't be a stubborn
Okay when the novel said Reio had a power that transcended anything, and someone claim that Ichibe stomps Reio, that's what you are trying to do right now, the databook confirmed Aizen statement about transcending anything including Hollows and Soul reapers
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I have to say he didn't transcended Bankai Yama and Ichibe.
1. He don't know whats the extent of Yama Bankai
2. He pretty much don't have any idea on Ichibe power
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Again, we get an incredibly limited viewpoint on what happened there from characters who weren't even present. Not enough to conclude that he soloed Aizen singlehandedly. Especially since we know even Ichigo didn't beat Aizen by himself.
I'm still 100% opposed to that being used as the basis of the scaling, and all the other information posted on this page of the thread helps confirm that for me.
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Oh, so you believe that Toshiro knows Zanka no Tachi while Aizen doesn't?? What a nice answer to defend the false scaling which no one agreed with not even Kubo
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I agree with Aizen transcending everyone other than Bankai Yama and Ichibe
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Yama never shown his Bankai full abilities to anyone. By Shunsui statement he never used his Bankai in 1k years
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That's base Aizen, the databook said that God Aizen transcended everything, there is no contradiction, Aizen said he have surpassed soul reapers and hollows at the 4th or 3rd fusion, no one claimed that base Aizen is above Yamamoto, don't use a strawman
