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Wait a minute is there any direct statement states that Ginjo is Transcended being
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Ichigo, Hikone, and Ginjo all broke through their limiters thanks to being mixed races. Aizen and Yhwach did it via Reio's influence (Hogyoku and son of Reio). Kenpachi is the only dude who was just a plain regular Shinigami who broke the limits and reached godhood. Kenpachi Zaraki is that guy, he is built entirely different.
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Didn't Aura say that they need a Hogyoku for Hikone as well in order to make him reach the realm of Gods?
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Nah, for Ichigo they didn't mention SK, but thats fine I will check it later
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Where are the Bleach gifts? I wanna see some presents
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if only he was more haxed
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He can't be. Unohana must have been high when she was saying that. Or it's just Kubo's attempt to force Renji into relevancy.
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Wasn’t he stated by Tousen to be a demon? He looks like one in his Bankai form maybe the Hell arc will explain his origins… he could be the new villian’s son.
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Sure. Kubo said Renji trained to surpassed Aizen. Let’s ignore that because it can’t happened. Unohana said Renji rivales him but let’s ignore that too because it can’t happened.
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Ichibei is not a hybrid and he was able to fight and defeat Yhwach before the Almighty. Are you saying transcendent Aizen is stronger than Yhwach? The same guy who stomp Yamamoto who was stated to be above Byakuya and Yoruichi? Is there supposed to be a limit from none hybrids, then how come Yamamoto is stronger than Byakuya and Yoruichi? Yoruichi is understandable. But Byakuya? The same guy who ate some food and gained Super Reiatsu who is supposed to be above normal Reiatsu? It seems to me that every none transcendent’s Shinigami power limit is different for every individual.
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Training to fighting people like Aizen =/= Surpassing Aizen.
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During the break between the Fullbring arc and TYBW arc, Kubo said in this interview (look at the 6th Division section) that none of the post-timeskip Shinigami had surpassed Aizen.
Kubo also claims that Yamamoto has gotten to a point where he wouldn't get much stronger through training, meaning that he should still be relative to his pre-timeskip self.
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Thanks for posting the full thing lol. So I guess that means yama almost reached his peak as a shinigami then, interesting.
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Yes.
Yes it's different, I never said all of them have the same limit, we all know that nobles can reach a higher level than normal soul reaper, my point still stands, each soul reaper has a limit, but you are making every soul reaper can reach God level in order to make your FB scaling be accepted.
GG
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Q: Is that all that’s changed?
Kubo: I think Genryuusai wouldn’t change much from his current state if he trained. Wouldn’t it be strange for someone who’s lived for over two thousand years to change over a period of 17 months? However, he does have unseen, inner changes.
That's all whats needed tbh, God Aizen >>> Post time skip Yamamoto >>>> Byakuya ~ Tsukishima
@Arc7Kuroi is this interview correct? or the translation is wrong or it doesn't even exist?
Kubo: I think Genryuusai wouldn’t change much from his current state if he trained. Wouldn’t it be strange for someone who’s lived for over two thousand years to change over a period of 17 months? However, he does have unseen, inner changes.
That's all whats needed tbh, God Aizen >>> Post time skip Yamamoto >>>> Byakuya ~ Tsukishima
@Arc7Kuroi is this interview correct? or the translation is wrong or it doesn't even exist?
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Okay. What does Shinigami been weaker than current Aizen have anything to do with transcendent Aizen?
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I never claimed they were stronger than Mugetsu.
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He literally gave you a scale based on kubo confirming that yama didn't get any stronger during the timeskip:
Monster aizen > butterfly aizen > TYBW/FB/FKT arc yama > CFYOW shunsui, byakuya etc
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I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm referring to the meta that argues that fullbring ichigo and all those who scale to him are stronger than mugetsu and hog aizen
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I’m not denying the Yamamoto scaling at all. I’m asking why do Kubo mentioning that the Shinigami are weaker than Muken Aizen matters?
Muken Aizen >>> Transcendent Aizen
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Muken Aizen wasn't there at that time, why would Kubo answer using an Aizen that nobody knows about him? At that point, we all thought that Aizen has gotten back to his Shinigami level because of what Ichigo said, so its either base Aizen or transcendent Aizen, IDC which one would you pick the result will lead to something against the FB scaling
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I stopped reading after your first sentence.
I read all of the interview. This was after the Fullbring Arc (which already did the 17 month time skip) and Kubo was talking about the future of the TYBW arc in this interview. In said interview he said he wanted to draw Aizen in restraints. Kubo already knew Muken Aizen got stronger than Transcendent Aizen.
He ain’t talking about Transcendent Aizen but Muken Aizen still been a treat to the Gotei 13.
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You didn't get my point, I know it was after the FB arc.
The one who asked him would have no way to know about Muken Aizen level, so his question wasn't about him, if that's the case why would Kubo answer by talking about an Aizen that nobody knows about even the one who asked, it doesn't make any sense
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Because at that point no one even knew that Aizen got stronger, even Kubo didn't say that in the interview, we all thought that he became a soul reaper again and lost all of his powers because he finally found a rival.
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He doesn’t need to know. The Author knows. You saw how he spoiled the Quincy been the next thread without saying it was the Quincy? He even spoiled Unohana’s fight and other stuff from the arc. Kubo knows going into the new arc the characters aren’t on his level yet. Is not like the one making the questions or the author created this different code names (transcendent or Muken Aizen) to differentiate the two, to him its just Aizen.
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The whole context surrounding the interviewer's question and renji's statement was pertaining to FKT aizen (base or hog, likely hog) as nobody had any reason to assume that aizen got any stronger after his defeat, this is backed up in the scene when renji and kisuke are freaking out over the notion of aizen getting stronger than his previous forms.
As such it'd make more sense if kubo was referring to FKT aizen as he's answering the question taking the knowledge that the reader/interviewer as well as the bleach characters have about the state of aizen's power at the time of the interview (start of 2012).
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Kubo spoiled stuff from the arc before it event released in that interview, so him not mentioning that Aizen got stronger isn’t a valid argument.
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He is answering a question after the time skip in present tense.
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What? Imagine if I asked you about something and you answered by something else that has nothing to do with the purpose of my question, that would be a clear deception, Kubo knows that nobody knows about it, and thus they will be asking about comparing them to sth that they know which is base Aizen or Transcendent Aizen.
Apple: Who is stronger Ichigo or Kazui?
Kubo: Kazui is stronger (talking about adult Kazui 150 years after that nobody knows about)
Would that make sense to you? ofc not, Kubo should be talking about something that we know and understand, other than that his answer wouldn't make any sense, you can't ask someone about sth and he answers by sth else while knowing that it's not the thing you are asking about.
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Yes, him spoiling things when the question is about it or can mean it is fine, not when I ask you apple how many pushups can you do? and you answer by 200 while thinking about urself after 3 years of training
