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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

ReaperAndBlues said:
It's funny to me that Byakuya has nearly 3 times higher AP than Shunsui and Adult Toshiro. He might be the strongest Bleach High 6-A off of AP alone
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Adult Toshiro is currently in Limbo till cour 4,also Ayon Absorbed Quilge is higher, with 26.61 Exatons without blut.
(Gremmy + 1 clone would be higher as well in theory,since he would be 14.169 Exatons x2, so 28.338 Exatons).
 
Crobatman44 said:
Adult Toshiro is currently in Limbo till cour 4,also Ayon Absorbed Quilge is higher, with 26.61 Exatons without blut.
(Gremmy + 1 clone would be higher as well in theory,since he would be 14.169 Exatons x2, so 28.338 Exatons).
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Bruh Quilge is higher? Gotta be some type of outdated scaling or something because that's just hilarious if not
 
So Quilge gets stomped by Ayon. Meaning his power up comes almost entirely from Ayon. By y'all logic this would make Ayon stronger than base Aizen and comparable to Yhwach and Shikai Yama somewhat. This means Ayon > grimmjow even tho in FKT grimmjow was ridiculously above Ayon and one shots him here. He was "weakened." Okay. But a stronger Grimmjow being weaker than Ayon sounds like a meme.

Kisuke has been on my fraud watch for awhile now. Needing a weakened blut for essentially Ayon (ik it's Quilge Ayon but even the profile says it's pretty much Ayon)


Getting pierced by Quilge

Got blitzed by Grimmjow

Couldn't Blitz and one shot Askin from getgo despite being far superior to Yoruichi (even tho they seemed comparable back in FKT speed wise meaning probably in AP too. But hey anti hierro is superior to her ultimate thunder cat transformation even though Yoruichi didn't care about losing the armor because she thought it was garbage thats treated as immensely superior to everything she has instead of just added protection)

Needing Bankai for Askin

Got pierced by Askin before Bankai. (Why wasn't his reiatsu strong enough to neg it?)

To be clear if Byakuya = Yoruichi this means that her thunder cat transformation has to be = Bankai. Or at least shunko raijin senkei. Both are these are treated as jokes in comparison to Aizen. And by extension base Kisuke. Yet couldn't Blitz and one shot Askin. Can you imagine a world base Aizen would need bankai on askin? I can't.

My conclusion is, Kisuke is a fraud, Quilge is not him, Ayon is. And even still there's no world I'm scaling Ayon anywhere near Yamamoto. Base Yhwach is overrated so is shikai Yama. Which is why you got weird situations like Quilge Ayon essentially being a possible threat to Aizen and Shikai Yama and Bazz B offsetting Yama flames. Ppl say I be tripping with my scaling but y'all scaling makes Ayon stronger than Aizen LMAO
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
So Quilge gets stomped by Ayon. Meaning his power up comes almost entirely from Ayon. By y'all logic this would make Ayon stronger than base Aizen and comparable to Yhwach and Shikai Yama somewhat. This means Ayon > grimmjow even tho in FKT grimmjow was ridiculously above Ayon and one shots him here. He was "weakened." Okay. But a stronger Grimmjow being weaker than Ayon sounds like a meme.
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1) Ayon is his own entity that can get stronger, so what happened 1+ years ago doesn't mean anything.
2) Grimmjow wasn't in FKT? idrk what you're talking about
3) Also, you're just wrong since Ayon Quilge is weaker than Kisuke and Aizen, and is only stronger when he applies that 5x AP amp from Blut, so no Ayon isn't the reason Quilge is so strong, it's because Quilge can absorb Ayon's power and amp it 5-10x.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Kisuke has been on my fraud watch for awhile now. Needing a weakened blut for essentially Ayon (ik it's Quilge Ayon but even the profile says it's pretty much Ayon)
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Ayon Quilge being Kisuke tier isn't an antifeat for Kisuke.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Getting pierced by Quilge

Got blitzed by Grimmjow
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Got off guarded so non anti-feat.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Couldn't Blitz and one shot Askin from getgo despite being far superior to Yoruichi (even tho they seemed comparable back in FKT speed wise meaning probably in AP too. But hey anti hierro is superior to her ultimate thunder cat transformation even though Yoruichi didn't care about losing the armor because she thought it was garbage thats treated as immensely superior to everything she has instead of just added protection)
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I don't care to address this atm, since the anime hasn't adapted this yet and the anime is the primary canon. I disagree with your analysis of this regardless tho, it's just not important to profiles.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Needing Bankai for Askin

Got pierced by Askin before Bankai. (Why wasn't his reiatsu strong enough to neg it?)
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Same as what I said above, but Askin's ability worked on TS Ichigo, so unless you think TS Ichigo < base Aizen level characters, idk what your point is.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
To be clear if Byakuya = Yoruichi this means that her thunder cat transformation has to be = Bankai. Or at least shunko raijin senkei. Both are these are treated as jokes in comparison to Aizen. And by extension base Kisuke. Yet couldn't Blitz and one shot Askin. Can you imagine a world base Aizen would need bankai on askin? I can't.
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Idrc what your incredulity says. Askin can simply be that guy. "I can't imagine Chad losing" is the type of argument you're making rn.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
My conclusion is, Kisuke is a fraud, Quilge is not him, Ayon is. And even still there's no world I'm scaling Ayon anywhere near Yamamoto. Base Yhwach is overrated so is shikai Yama. Which is why you got weird situations like Quilge Ayon essentially being a possible threat to Aizen and Shikai Yama and Bazz B offsetting Yama flames. Ppl say I be tripping with my scaling but y'all scaling makes Ayon stronger than Aizen LMAO
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He isn't, you're just bad at scaling Bleach. Idrc what world you live in for your scaling, you're free to hold your opinions.
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Nah man bleach be way more accurate if I scaled some of the characters
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Spicy78 said:
hi y'all, i have a question regarding soul based attacks: if a bleach character is fighting against a nature 1 aspect 1 (soul) NEP character, because the mind is within the soul in bleach, would soul-based attacks be capable of affecting their mind even if said character doesn't have a soul?
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Bleach characters with sufficient spiritual energy are capable of interacting with Senna, who is entirely composed of memories; memories are contained within the mind, generally speaking. Bleach characters should still be able to interact with someone who has that level of nonexistence by specifically interacting with their memories and by logical entailment, their mind. Which is further supported by the existence of both soul and mind in Bleach being interconnected fundamentally.
 
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