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Baki soul manipulation CRT

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Dread said:
Yes revives himself. You exactly said it. Reviving not manipulating soul. If all, it is more like resurrecting
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Yeah, he revived himself by putting his soul back into his body which had left his body. If he didn't do that he literally would not have been able to revive. That's manipulating a soul.
 
Dread said:
Yes revives himself. You exactly said it. Reviving not manipulating soul. If all, it is more like resurrecting
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Oh I see why your confused.

So the scans I have in my OP are the clear soul manipulation the characters are doing.

However for Baki it’s him using astral project which is manipulation on one’s own soul. Baki will have both but be the only one since he’s only shown to have.
 
NotoriouSoda said:
Oh I see why your confused.

So the scans I have in my OP are the clear soul manipulation the characters are doing.

However for Baki it’s him using astral project which is manipulation on one’s own soul. Baki will have both but be the only one since he’s only shown to have.
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I am not confused. It is just he can't do that at any time he wishes, so that's why I am against the idea of giving him soul manipulation.

At best, limited soul manipulation with an extra explanation.
 
Dread said:
I am not confused. It is just he can't do that at any time he wishes, so that's why I am against the idea of giving him soul manipulation.

At best, limited soul manipulation with an extra explanation.
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Ok so you didn’t read the op at all. I’m not giving them soul manipulation being of Baki dying. I’m giving them from what in the OP. This is just Baki different thing that he can do.
 
All the scans you have given are astral projection



Also, I don't want to bring back the argument, but the soul concept exists in Baki, so it is usual to see characters punching someone to death so that their soul left their body. I would not even count that as ability or even power.

And yes, your OP is mainly focused on giving them soul manipulation as the title said. I am still in the opinion with staff, if more, it is astral projection.

About baki, you can give him limited soul manipulation (only can interact with his own soul when he is near death and can revive himself)
 
Dread said:
All the scans you have given are astral projection



Also, I don't want to bring back the argument, but the soul concept exists in Baki, so it is usual to see characters punching someone to death so that their soul left their body. I would not even count that as ability or even power.

And yes, your OP is mainly focused on giving them soul manipulation as the title said. I am still in the opinion with staff, if more, it is astral projection.

About baki, you can give him limited soul manipulation (only can interact with his own soul when he is near death and can revive himself)
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….

Why do you have to make me do this to you?

First of all your Horribly wrong . Like you actually didn’t even read the ability it’sself. Astral Project is manipulation of ONES OWN SOUL. Like I don’t even need to reply to the scans because there removing other characters souls. Except for poor Tokigawa sister which you got horribly wrong. How? She’s removing Musashi soul and sent it to the afterlife how did you get it so wrong?

Wrong wrong about that as well. It’s not something that everyone can do besides a few characters in Baki. Like there are so many examples I can choose to debunk you. Like how musashi killing Spree yet not a single soul is getting removed? Funny.

The staff literally do not have an opinion. That’s the problem. I need to get more staff members to agree.

No he gets Astral project, like how did you **** this up so bad?

All terrible debunks
 
Ok but fr this is dumb I don’t want to spend another two week responding to the same dumb points I’ve already responded to.

Like at some point this just has to get accepted when enough agree lol
 
Can somebody give me a quick summary of the arguments, so I don't have to basically read the entire thread? The scans in the OP look like as if the souls left the bodies after someone else did something with them physically, so I wouldn't count this as Soul Manipulation based on the evidence in the OP alone. I guess I would consider it Soul Manipulation if the characters did something with the souls directly or have techniques that allow them to force a soul to move outside the body without that simply being a consequence of a person dying or losing consciousness.
 
NotoriouSoda said:
First of all your Horribly wrong . Like you actually didn’t even read the ability it’sself. Astral Project is manipulation of ONES OWN SOUL. Like I don’t even need to reply to the scans because there removing other characters souls. Except for poor Tokigawa sister which you got horribly wrong. How? She’s removing Musashi soul and sent it to the afterlife how did you get it so wrong?
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Astral Projection is the ability to separate one's spirit/soul from one's body. The user can exit their body and gain access to Astral Plane, where they can exist as a spirit. It allows the user to communicate and interact with spirits/souls.
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Doctor_Strange_Astral_Projection.gif


This gif is a description of astral projection, do you see the guy manipulate his own soul? So you are the one who did not read the ability.

YOU DID NOT EVEN READ THE ABILITY
  • Leave the body to enter the astral realm as a spirit/soul.
  • Communicate and interact with souls.
  • Ability to harm or destroy other souls.
Those are possible uses or even possible conditions to count the ability as astral projection.
NotoriouSoda said:
The staff literally do not have an opinion. That’s the problem. I need to get more staff members to agree.

No he gets Astral project, like how did you **** this up so bad?

All terrible debunks
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Wondering because the staff is one who suggests the astral projection idea 💀
NotoriouSoda said:
Wrong wrong about that as well. It’s not something that everyone can do besides a few characters in Baki. Like there are so many examples I can choose to debunk you. Like how musashi killing Spree yet not a single soul is getting removed? Funny.
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Do you know that soul manipulation means interacting with the soul directly? All of the scans you have shown are souls leaving their bodies as a consequence of a person dying or losing consciousness.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
that simply being a consequence of a person dying or losing consciousness.
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Well in the verse when a character dies or get unconscious that never happens, only when a few characters hit others, so it should be an ability of these characters instead of a verse mechanic.

Also, Katsumi kicked someone's soul back to his body
 
Nehz_XZX said:
Can somebody give me a quick summary of the arguments, so I don't have to basically read the entire thread? The scans in the OP look like as if the souls left the bodies after someone else did something with them physically, so I wouldn't count this as Soul Manipulation based on the evidence in the OP alone. I guess I would consider it Soul Manipulation if the characters did something with the souls directly or have techniques that allow them to force a soul to move outside the body without that simply being a consequence of a person dying or losing consciousness.
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Exactly all scans in the thread have been shown that soul left the body because of the person dying or losing consciousness
 
Kerr5 said:
Well in the verse when a character dies or get unconscious that never happens, only when a few characters hit others, so it should be an ability of these characters instead of a verse mechanic.

Also, Katsumi kicked someone's soul back to his body
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But it is never soul manipulation, at most astral projection
 
Nehz_XZX said:
Can somebody give me a quick summary of the arguments, so I don't have to basically read the entire thread? The scans in the OP look like as if the souls left the bodies after someone else did something with them physically, so I wouldn't count this as Soul Manipulation based on the evidence in the OP alone. I guess I would consider it Soul Manipulation if the characters did something with the souls directly or have techniques that allow them to force a soul to move outside the body without that simply being a consequence of a person dying or losing consciousness.
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It’s not them losing consciousness. Or dying at all. None of those people in the scans have died except for Yujiros. They again still removed the soul with there attacks. And even in Katsumi case he returned it back with a kick.
 
It's kind of an Energy Manipulation/Energy Projection type thing where the latter is included in the former
 
Dread said:
But it is never soul manipulation, at most astral projection
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How isn't soul manipulation? kicking someone's soul back to his body... isn't soul manipulation?

Also you didn't even read the manga, like someone getting unconscious/dying is not an argument, the important thing is why and the pattern it follows, and the soul ONLY shows to leave the body after a few characters attack, not only that but the souls clearly gets affected by the hit, saying is a verse mechanic is dumb because there's a ton of deads in Baki and that never happens.
 
Kerr5 said:
Well in the verse when a character dies or get unconscious that never happens, only when a few characters hit others, so it should be an ability of these characters instead of a verse mechanic.

Also, Katsumi kicked someone's soul back to his body
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I can see the depiction of the soul leaving body as signifying the loss of consciousness or death even in relatively serious scenes and the soul would technically leave the body in any case where someone died if its nature in the series doesn't drastically differ from my general understanding of it, so this isn't enough for me.

That sounds closer to me but I think I need some more details for this. The scene seems to also involve a physical impact with the body if I'm not misinterpreting the visuals, so I'm not sure if this is really Soul Manipulation. Is there more context here and other instances of something like this happening?
 
This is so ******* dumb you have to be kidding me. I’ll respond to everything but I’m busy atm
 
Kerr5 said:
How isn't soul manipulation? kicking someone's soul back to his body... isn't soul manipulation?

Also you didn't even read the manga, like someone getting unconscious/dying is not an argument, the important thing is why and the pattern it follows, and the soul ONLY shows to leave the body after a few characters attack, not only that but the souls clearly gets affected by the hit, saying is a verse mechanic is dumb because there's a ton of deads in Baki and that never happens.
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Under normal circumstances, most characters are assumed to have a soul by default unless the original medium specifies otherwise. Those who do not possess soul are usually considered to be immune to most applications of Soul Manipulation.
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Is there any statement that says that most of the characters do not have souls by default?
 
NotoriouSoda said:
This is so ******* dumb you have to be kidding me. I’ll respond to everything but I’m busy atm
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I'm not sure if that includes me but if you are busy, then you can obviously take your time. I also have to consider other threads and other things, so I think I'd prefer that anyways.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
I'm not sure if that includes me but if you are busy, then you can obviously take your time. I also have to consider other threads and other things, so I think I'd prefer that anyways.
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Not a problem. It’s just that these are literally the same arguments as before. And rn I really can’t type that much
 
This might be the most aggressive CRT I've ever seen on this forum so far, lets hope it stays this way, yeesh.
 
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denzeelmao said:
This might be the most aggressive CRT I've ever seen on this thread so far, lets hope it stays this way, yeesh.
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Bleach threads last 3x more with so much toxicity one of them caused massive bannings along with CLOSING THE PREVIOUS FORUMS
 
Y'all still talking about if this is Soul Manipulation or not?

It's blatant that this is a form of "Soul Manipulation", no if ands or buts about it, even if you make the argument its only a in-verse mechanic it would still be a form of "Soul Manipulation" at the end of the day.

What you guys should be arguing is what "kind" of "Soul Manipulation" should this be, which through looking at all the scans again and reading both the Soul Manipulation page and the Astral Projection page i've reached my own personal conclusion.

Before i do tho i wanna establish what both pages actually say.

Soul Manipulation Page - "Soul Manipulation is the ability to interact with one's soul or the souls of others. This ability ranges from being able to project the power of one's soul outward, grasping and ripping the souls of others out of their bodies, outright consuming souls to gain power, among other applications"

Astral Projection Page - "Astral Projection is the ability to separate one's spirit/soul from one's body. The user can exit their body and gain access to Astral Plane, where they can exist as a spirit. It allows the user to communicate and interact with spirits/souls"

I'll go through each scan and explain which version of "Soul Manipulation" it falls under and give an explanation why it falls under that version.


Yujiro Scan - As shown within this scan Yujiro shakes the head of this random dude, with said head shaking causes his soul to leave his body, this a blatant example of Astral Projection because he's just actively separating the soul from his body, he isn't in any-way "manipulating" it someone with bog standard Soul Manipulation can, he can't interact with these soul nor can he damage it, which would be needed to have Soul Manipulation, this is just Astral Projection, point, end, period.

Katsumi Scan - As shown within this scan Katsumi (or who i believe is Katsumi idk personally because i haven't read Baki before) kicks this fighter in the face which causes his soul to fly out of his body, this again is a forceful form of Astral Projection as explained more thoroughly above.

Doppo Scan - As shown within this scan Doppo drops an axe kick onto the top of this fighter's head, causing his soul to fly out of his body, this, just like the previous examples is just a form of Astral Projection and not a form of Soul Manipulation that'll grant you the Soul Manipulation ability on this wiki, Doppo isn't interacting with, damaging or even manipulating this soul, he's just extracting it from this fighters body, which falls directly under the Astral Projection requirements.

Baki Scan - As shown within this scan Baki kicks the dude in the face, causing his soul to be removed from his body, this, just like all the other examples above is just a form of Astral Projection and not a form of Soul Manipulation.

Tokigawa Sister Scan - As shown within this scan Tokigawa's Sister removes her own soul of her own body, this is just Astral Projection and everyone agrees its Astral Projection so i'll leave it at that.


After reading all these scans again and reading the Astral Projection and Soul Manipulation pages again i've concluded that all of these feats are just forms of Astral Projection and not ones of Soul Manipulation.

As such these characters should gain Astral Projection and not Soul Manipulation.
 
Deceived said:
Y'all still talking about if this is Soul Manipulation or not?

It's blatant that this is a form of "Soul Manipulation", no if ands or buts about it, even if you make the argument its only a in-verse mechanic it would still be a form of "Soul Manipulation" at the end of the day.

What you guys should be arguing is what "kind" of "Soul Manipulation" should this be, which through looking at all the scans again and reading both the Soul Manipulation page and the Astral Projection page i've reached my own personal conclusion.

Before i do tho i wanna establish what both pages actually say.

Soul Manipulation Page - "Soul Manipulation is the ability to interact with one's soul or the souls of others. This ability ranges from being able to project the power of one's soul outward, grasping and ripping the souls of others out of their bodies, outright consuming souls to gain power, among other applications"

Astral Projection Page - "Astral Projection is the ability to separate one's spirit/soul from one's body. The user can exit their body and gain access to Astral Plane, where they can exist as a spirit. It allows the user to communicate and interact with spirits/souls"

I'll go through each scan and explain which version of "Soul Manipulation" it falls under and give an explanation why it falls under that version.


Yujiro Scan - As shown within this scan Yujiro shakes the head of this random dude, with said head shaking causes his soul to leave his body, this a blatant example of Astral Projection because he's just actively separating the soul from his body, he isn't in any-way "manipulating" it someone with bog standard Soul Manipulation can, he can't interact with these soul nor can he damage it, which would be needed to have Soul Manipulation, this is just Astral Projection, point, end, period.

Katsumi Scan - As shown within this scan Katsumi (or who i believe is Katsumi idk personally because i haven't read Baki before) kicks this fighter in the face which causes his soul to fly out of his body, this again is a forceful form of Astral Projection as explained more thoroughly above.

Doppo Scan - As shown within this scan Doppo drops an axe kick onto the top of this fighter's head, causing his soul to fly out of his body, this, just like the previous examples is just a form of Astral Projection and not a form of Soul Manipulation that'll grant you the Soul Manipulation ability on this wiki, Doppo isn't interacting with, damaging or even manipulating this soul, he's just extracting it from this fighters body, which falls directly under the Astral Projection requirements.

Baki Scan - As shown within this scan Baki kicks the dude in the face, causing his soul to be removed from his body, this, just like all the other examples above is just a form of Astral Projection and not a form of Soul Manipulation.

Tokigawa Sister Scan - As shown within this scan Tokigawa's Sister removes her own soul of her own body, this is just Astral Projection and everyone agrees its Astral Projection so i'll leave it at that.


After reading all these scans again and reading the Astral Projection and Soul Manipulation pages again i've concluded that all of these feats are just forms of Astral Projection and not ones of Soul Manipulation.

As such these characters should gain Astral Projection and not Soul Manipulation.
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Thanks and I also said this from beginning. Thanks for your support.
 
Deceived said:
Y'all still talking about if this is Soul Manipulation or not?

It's blatant that this is a form of "Soul Manipulation", no if ands or buts about it, even if you make the argument its only a in-verse mechanic it would still be a form of "Soul Manipulation" at the end of the day.

What you guys should be arguing is what "kind" of "Soul Manipulation" should this be, which through looking at all the scans again and reading both the Soul Manipulation page and the Astral Projection page i've reached my own personal conclusion.

Before i do tho i wanna establish what both pages actually say.

Soul Manipulation Page - "Soul Manipulation is the ability to interact with one's soul or the souls of others. This ability ranges from being able to project the power of one's soul outward, grasping and ripping the souls of others out of their bodies, outright consuming souls to gain power, among other applications"

Astral Projection Page - "Astral Projection is the ability to separate one's spirit/soul from one's body. The user can exit their body and gain access to Astral Plane, where they can exist as a spirit. It allows the user to communicate and interact with spirits/souls"

I'll go through each scan and explain which version of "Soul Manipulation" it falls under and give an explanation why it falls under that version.


Yujiro Scan - As shown within this scan Yujiro shakes the head of this random dude, with said head shaking causes his soul to leave his body, this a blatant example of Astral Projection because he's just actively separating the soul from his body, he isn't in any-way "manipulating" it someone with bog standard Soul Manipulation can, he can't interact with these soul nor can he damage it, which would be needed to have Soul Manipulation, this is just Astral Projection, point, end, period.

Katsumi Scan - As shown within this scan Katsumi (or who i believe is Katsumi idk personally because i haven't read Baki before) kicks this fighter in the face which causes his soul to fly out of his body, this again is a forceful form of Astral Projection as explained more thoroughly above.

Doppo Scan - As shown within this scan Doppo drops an axe kick onto the top of this fighter's head, causing his soul to fly out of his body, this, just like the previous examples is just a form of Astral Projection and not a form of Soul Manipulation that'll grant you the Soul Manipulation ability on this wiki, Doppo isn't interacting with, damaging or even manipulating this soul, he's just extracting it from this fighters body, which falls directly under the Astral Projection requirements.

Baki Scan - As shown within this scan Baki kicks the dude in the face, causing his soul to be removed from his body, this, just like all the other examples above is just a form of Astral Projection and not a form of Soul Manipulation.

Tokigawa Sister Scan - As shown within this scan Tokigawa's Sister removes her own soul of her own body, this is just Astral Projection and everyone agrees its Astral Projection so i'll leave it at that.


After reading all these scans again and reading the Astral Projection and Soul Manipulation pages again i've concluded that all of these feats are just forms of Astral Projection and not ones of Soul Manipulation.

As such these characters should gain Astral Projection and not Soul Manipulation.
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What the actual..... You know than that is soul manipulation because they are literally KICKING THE SOULS out of their body rigth?

Soul Manipulation not only incluides Manipulating it, it also incluides things like

A. Destroying them (Bleach)
B. Ripping them (Naruto)
 
The problem is that the definition on Astral Projection's page is stupid, so this can actually be Astral Projection instead of Soul Manipulation as well, as dumb as that sounds.
 
Livinmeme said:
What the actual..... You know than that is soul manipulation because they are literally KICKING THE SOULS out of their body rigth?

Soul Manipulation not only incluides Manipulating it, it also incluides things like

A. Destroying them (Bleach)
B. Ripping them (Naruto)
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Good job not actually reading what i posted dude.

Really apperacted it.
 
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