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Also you guys are wrong about it only being used for a knock out. There are multiple times when Baki characters are knocked out and didn’t have to there soul removed. Both are completely different things
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Baki soul manipulation CRT
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Nah
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Except that only a handfull of strong characters have the cappability of removing souls just with hits. Also Ignore??? My response was literally directed to your mega quote saying that it was worded weirdly
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Will you just wait for @NotoriouSoda, dude.
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What the **** are you even saying? you say i worded my shit weirdly when your grammar is like this.
Also thanks again for not addressing my main argument but instead you keep bringing up irrelevant topics like the wording of my mega post, good job homie.
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Honestly you guys shouldn’t go off of the scans by themselves. That’s why your not getting them correct.
@Deceived like for example your point of Tokigawa sister. She not manipulating her own soul but musashi and sending it to the afterlife. Like that soul manipulation. Idk how else you can Interpret that
@Deceived like for example your point of Tokigawa sister. She not manipulating her own soul but musashi and sending it to the afterlife. Like that soul manipulation. Idk how else you can Interpret that
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Are there no other scans to provide extra context or some shit? Lol
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Then you should've clarified that in the OP
Because the scan by itself heavily implies its just Astral Projection.
If that's the case then i'm fine with Tokigawa's Sister having Soul Manipulation but my main point still stands for the rest of the scans.
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I thought it was obvious but I guess not lol.Then you should've clarified that in the OP
Because the scan by itself heavily implies its just Astral Projection.
If that's the case then i'm fine with Tokigawa's Sister having Soul Manipulation but my main point still stands for the rest of the scans.
Honestly I don’t even know the difference Between then and there basically the same so whatever. Like my main is thing is gonna be AP afterwards in a new thread lol
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I feel like all the arguments i've seen against this are kinda wack. Isn't this just a fancy way of showing people that they died?
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Wait would Tokigawa's sister even get a profile
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She plays an important role in Dou so yeah she will
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No because only one person in the scans died. That argument fails to even make sense when you literally see that all the characters are alive afterwards.
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So... limited soul manip via hitting people's souls out of their bodies temporarily...? Is that the proposal here?
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1. Oh so now you don't understand what i am saying
2. Two wrongs don't make a rigth
3. What? I responded to your mega post, then you say i wasn't adressing it, i replied to you and now you are saying i am not bringing your main argument? What is even that logic, wouldn't that make you also derailing the thread?
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Don't @ me ever again, you're quite literally too dense to talk to.
Just let Soda debate on your behalf because you're quite literally incapable of doing so without strawmanning the living **** out of your opponent while also not reading said opponents main arguments.
I'll re-state this once again and this is the final time i'm going to explain this again to you.
The differences between Soul Manipulation and Astral Projection is the mechanics of both abilities, not the functionality, just because Soul Manipulation allows you to remove the souls out of others doesn't mean Baki's instance is Soul Manipulation, i've indepthly explained to you why it isn't Soul Manipulation but rather Astral Projection but you are either not paying attention or just being ratty.
Soul Manipulation inherently denotes that the character can "interact with" and somewhat touch or manipulate someone's soul while Astral Projection denotes someone can "remove" the souls from others or themselves, this action doesn't inherently require someone to actually interact with said soul to remove it from the opponents or their own body.
What most Baki characters are doing is hitting someone hard enough that it causes their soul to leave their physical body, this is Astral Projection over just Soul Manipulation because these characters aren't actively interacting with nor manipulating these souls, they're just removing them from the bodies of their opponents, which falls under the direct definition of Astral Projection.
If you keep on ignoring this difference and instead just keep spouting the same debunked arguments over and over i'm just gonna call a burden of rejoinder and make your concede on this point.
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Eh... a reply and a @ are pretty different. But if you want it then i guess is fair
I have alredy directly replied to your argument like 2 times? And every ¨spam¨ has been a response out of you saying something
Man you don't understand how soul manipulation works, kicking someone soul should count as soul manipulation. Astral Projection is when you kick the soul but you still able to see while in baki they straigth up send them to the after life in some cases. Oh also Gai example doesn't really count as he doesn't soul manip or astral projection
Yeah that seems like a Astral Projection problem more than anything, the whole page looks unfinished
Oh also doesn't baki soul atack or whatever also impides souls to come back to their body for some time?
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I'm not responding to the incoherent ramblings of Livin.
I'm just gonna wait until Soda post his response.
I'm just gonna wait until Soda post his response.
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Doesn't even decide to respond anymore, calls me an idiot several times, says that i am derailing when he was participating on a meme derailng himself (oh but those are memes so they are ok!!!) and then says that my several straigth responses aren't to the argument even when my last comment was about debunking all your points. I think i may hitted a nerve
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I know this is derailing and I'm sorry beforehand, but your pfp is based.
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Thanks my dude, Jay is also a GOAT, i gotta catchup on the ill fated relationship, and im really thriving for the connector to be strong af on kengan, on the first feat we get of him i'm gonna do CRT to get a profile for him.
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Folks, try and chill for now, I was offline but I'll start deleting any comments that are just being aggressive to others, no matter the source.
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Uhh I guess it’s time to reach a Compromise
After giving it some thought I realized that Astral and soul are literally the same thing. However with the vs wiki stander I’m good with giving the rest of the cast Astral projection, but giving Tokigawa sister souls manipulation for how clear it is.
Oh and if anyone believes this is a downgrade it’s really not. It’s just to Appease both parties. And hey it’s still soul manipulation and not “a gag” lol
After giving it some thought I realized that Astral and soul are literally the same thing. However with the vs wiki stander I’m good with giving the rest of the cast Astral projection, but giving Tokigawa sister souls manipulation for how clear it is.
Oh and if anyone believes this is a downgrade it’s really not. It’s just to Appease both parties. And hey it’s still soul manipulation and not “a gag” lol
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Anyway thanks you guys for sticking with this thread for how many days. Y’all really push me to improve these pages to make them as accurate as possible
also to not make it horribly downplay and factually incorrect
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You see, this could be easily solved if we just merged Astral Projection and Soul Manipulation
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You see, this could be easily solved if we just merged Astral Projection and Soul Manipulation
Vs wiki moment
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After this I’m gonna get my few mini crt done with so I can start the AP stuff. And you know what’s funny, baki is not actually that inconsistent when reading and paying to the details.
Just bad profiles
Just bad profiles
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At the end, I am against giving them soul manipulation specially when it is confirmed that it has 0 effect on vsmatches which proves the fact there is no manipulation on soul itself. We can close the thread now
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Why do verses matches matter. We don't take that into account while indexing shit.
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All stated characters in the OP except Tokigawa's Sister should have Astral Projection while Tokigawa's Sister should have Soul Manipulation.
These are direct feats of "Soul Manipulation", no one has actually debunked these feats being forms of "Soul Manipulation".
I 100% agree with Soda's compromise (since it's basically the same thing i've been arguing for over multiple post)
These are direct feats of "Soul Manipulation", no one has actually debunked these feats being forms of "Soul Manipulation".
I 100% agree with Soda's compromise (since it's basically the same thing i've been arguing for over multiple post)
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100% agreed
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Literally where is it stated is has 0 effects on vs wiki matches. But like one user that doesn’t even understand or read the manga? Sure
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Oh hell naw? I won't argue with you if you can't even look at the comments below your thread
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The comments? Literally half of the comments on the third pages are people memeing tf?
Are you taking about DTG points? If so there terrible because Itagaki makes a clear difference between knocking someone else soul out and just getting knock out. What’s the response to this fr. I’m actually curious
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Also the vswiki matches literally don’t matter so idk why you even bring it up 
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^^
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Alright. I still disagree with soul manipulation and many are in same opinion. Astral Projection at best (excluding sister one)Also the vswiki matches literally don’t matter so idk why you even bring it up
Let staff decide this
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