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Baki Back to 7-C

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What???? Why would we take them as not face value anyway???? like seriously

1. There has been multiple statementes of yujiro being stronger than the military
2. The military fear him (also there was a statement that they couldnt do jackshit to him)

Also where was that rule of not taking WOD at face value anyway???? (jojo part 2 is High 8-C+ because WOD statementes)

And even if what you say was true then they should be possible

This isnt the thread for this anyway
To answer that being stronger than the military doesn’t make you 7-B.
 
What???? Why would we take them as not face value anyway???? like seriously
Because you need to prove it???? Literally what kind of counter is this supposed to be? You
1. There has been multiple statementes of yujiro being stronger than the military
The Military doesn't use nukes, so again wrong. Next.
2. The military fear him (also there was a statement that they couldnt do jackshit to him)
Again, the military isn't in charge of utilizing nuclear warheads. If you think this I'd seriously suggest doing further research because this is only something a 12th grader would think.
Also where was that rule of not taking WOD at face value anyway???? (jojo part 2 is High 8-C+ because WOD statementes)
Jojo part 2 is 8-C+ via various feats on that level so once again, wrong. It's a common practice, it isn't written anywhere in particular.
And even if what you say was true then they should be possible
Nope.
This isnt the thread for this anyway
Then don't use stupid arguments.
 
Bro drop your scales yo characters at that time. It’s not gonna fly, otherwise we be looking at ******* 8-C Yujiro. I rather Doppo be 7-C than Yujiro be small building level
That's what I'm arguing for, Yujiro should scale to characters at that time so his prof would look something like this. 9-A likely higher, possibly far higher( stopped an earthquake with a punch) for his early Baki appearances. Current Yujiro there's definitely an argument to be made.
 
What???? Why would we take them as not face value anyway???? like seriously

1. There has been multiple statementes of yujiro being stronger than the military
2. The military fear him (also there was a statement that they couldnt do jackshit to him)

Also where was that rule of not taking WOD at face value anyway???? (jojo part 2 is High 8-C+ because WOD statementes)

And even if what you say was true then they should be possible, because the not taking WOD at raw value is a possibility as valid as WOD being true ( even if WOD says that they are stronger and there is nothing to indicate than they shouldnt take at raw value, because then the statement would be useless)

And no my bad grammar wouldnt debunk my argument, if my grammar is understandable beyond Mid english then it shouldnt be a problem appart from minor missunderstandings

This isnt the thread for this anyway
Yeah technically 8-A is enough to be stronger than an entire army(Since nothing non-nuclear is higher) so it doesn't conflict with tier 8 Baki.
 
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According to Amlad
Who is not an official Baki source.
Itagaki worked on the anime as a means to have Yujiro's character have more depth
This doesn't mean the anime is more canon the the source material, you also have to quantify and qualify Itagaki's involvement in making the anime show becuase as far as I can tell you are mentioning vague stuff that is inconsequential to the power scaling. What does Yujiro's character depth mean in this context ? Nothing.

I don't need to prove shit
Yeah you do, you are the one who made the claim first that Yujiro was holding back vs Doppo and wasn't during the earthquake feat, that's not how the dynamics of a negative vs positive claim work, that has nothing to do with this point. Since you are not bothering to show evidence I can simply dismiss your argument altogether via hitchen's razor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens's_razor
I never claimed Yujiro was holding back or going all out, I never took a stance in the first place I just asked you to prove the point you made.

No, Yujiro's earthquake feat is x2.6 baseline of town level, done by a certifiably weaker Yujiro than the one we see in the maximum tournament fighting Doppo. There's no reason to downscale the cast to anything less than 7-C/town level, that's just headcanon. I read your argument, very carefully, it's simply wrong man.

You first
Why should I prove the stance YOU have taken? lol.

Death of the author
Sorry but is there actually a reason you have that would legitimize you disregarding the scan Notorious posted ? becauase it's not an author statement, it's Yujiro's character bio from the manga lol.
You just can't dismiss a scan with no evidence to contradict it just because "lul death of the author", it's simply not how this works.

@LordGinSama
 
I told him he was misusing death of author but when i started to describe the meaning, he deleted the conversation from his wall post
 
I told him he was misusing death of author but when i started to describe the meaning, he deleted the conversation from his wall post
Wasn't misusing the term, once again you don't know what the term even means to begin without using Google kiddo.


I'll reply to the above soon.
 
Wasn't misusing the term, once again you don't know what the term even means to begin without using Google kiddo.


I'll reply to the above soon.
lel

Man i directly give you the description of what death of the author is, and is totally different from what you were saying

PD: Oh also i alredy know what death of the author is anyway
 
lel

Man i directly give you the description of what death of the author is, and is totally different from what you were saying

PD: Oh also i alredy know what death of the author is anyway
No you literally misunderstood the very definition of the word. You copied and pasted shit that you found right from the front page of Google which is a terrible source.


And you very clearly didn't considering you thought it meant that it meant the actual death of a author. Man you must be an English major.
 
No you literally misunderstood the very definition of the word. You copied and pasted shit that you found right from the front page of Google which is a terrible source.


And you very clearly didn't considering you thought it meant that it meant the actual death of a author. Man you must be an English major.
Again why would i believe you from a source...

Also i heard the exact same definitions 2 times so it cant be a mere concidience

PD: Also insulting my english isnt going to scare me away
 
From tropedia:
Death of the Author is a concept from the field of literary criticism which holds that an author's intentions and biographical facts (the author's politics, religion, etc) should hold no weight when coming to an interpretation of his or her writing; that is, that a writer's interpretation of his own work is no more
Wikipedia:
In his essay, Barthes argues against the method of reading and criticism that relies on aspects of an author's identity to distill meaning from the author's work. In this type of criticism against which he argues, the experiences and biases of the author serve as a definitive "explanation" of the text.

Literally all of this

And again you have to explain why every single one of those descriptions isnt reliable
 
Again why would i believe you from a source...

Also i heard the exact same definitions 2 times so it cant be a mere concidience

PD: Also insulting my english isnt going to scare me away
Because a random source that isn't even legitimate in the first place isn't an authentic argument to make. First of all, that's argument from disbelief which isn't valid, secondly Google has very different definitions of words from let's say authentic sources such as Merium and other printed sources.


PS: I quite frankly don't care. It wasn't an insult either as opposed to a general observation.


Extra PS: The fact that you need to Google shit with little to zero blatant proof you wouldn't fair well in any college kiddo.
 
Because a random source that isn't even legitimate in the first place isn't an authentic argument to make. First of all, that's argument from disbelief which isn't valid, secondly Google has very different definitions of words from let's say authentic sources such as Merium and other printed sources.


PS: I quite frankly don't care. It wasn't an insult either as opposed to a general observation.


Extra PS: The fact that you need to Google shit with little to zero blatant proof you wouldn't fair well in any college kiddo.
Oh yeah and 3 Sources are not reliable because reasons, but your world is apperently true... for no reason

I LITERALLY GIVED YOU THE DEFINITION IN WIKIPEDIA

Man i give you proves you say "nah they arent true" i give you more proves and you still say no. This is just moving the goal. I could bring a ******* omnicient being to give you the definition and you still wouldnt accept it

Also what??? you say that i dont know the definition.... even if i gived you?
 
Yeah ignored, obviously an argument given by someone who's either illiterate or has never taken a Singulair college course in their life.


Anyway if you continue to drop the same old argument without actually understanding it to begin with then I'm gonna ignore you.

FYI good luck giving a Wikipedia link to a professor as an actual argument.
 
Yeah ignored, obviously an argument given by someone who's either illiterate or has never taken a Singulair college course in their life.


Anyway if you continue to drop the same old argument without actually understanding it to begin with then I'm gonna ignore you.

FYI good luck giving a Wikipedia link to a professor as an actual argument.
1. Calling me a guy who hasnt go to school because my bad english
2. Ignores all my argument saying "they arent beliable truth" without any backup on why those arent truth
3. Oh yeah you are a profesor so much that LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE INTERNET DISAGREE WITH YOU, even if you were a professor you would still be wrong, because what you saying isnt true and doesnt matter if you are a professor that doesnt make it true that is like saying "a biologist says that a ant is 10x more intelligent than a human so is must be true"

I preffer houndres of sources versus a guy who claims to be proffesor without any proves
 
Honestly I feel that this should be made into a new thread. The problems here aren’t with just scaling. It’s multiple other things that are outdated or not remember correctly for Baki.
 
1. Calling me a guy who hasnt go to school because my bad english
2. Ignores all my argument saying "they arent beliable truth" without any backup on why those arent truth
3. Oh yeah you are a profesor so much that LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE INTERNET DISAGREE WITH YOU, even if you were a professor you would still be wrong, because what you saying isnt true and doesnt matter if you are a professor that doesnt make it true that is like saying "a biologist says that a ant is 10x more intelligent than a human so is must be true"

I preffer houndres of sources versus a guy who claims to be proffesor without any proves
Reading compression of a fourth grader huh? The fact that you think I said I was a professor is blatant evidence of you literally not having the basic understanding of English to even be replying to arguments in the first place.


2: A random ass link from Google is not a forum of proper citation. Wiki isn't an EDU or a .GOV link for next.

Try again.
 
FYI good luck giving a Wikipedia link to a professor as an actual argument.

.... so you are a professor or you arent??? at this point i just think you are baiting on some avanced level

Oh also we are having the discussion if wikipedia isnt reliable????

Seesh you are sure a professor or you act like one
 
Reading compression of a fourth grader huh? The fact that you think I said I was a professor is blatant evidence of you literally not having the basic understanding of English to even be replying to arguments in the first place.


2: A random ass link from Google is not a forum of proper citation. Wiki isn't an EDU or a .GOV link for next.

Try again.
???? You need information to prove that those arent reliable AND again you havent gived any backup on why your definition of death of the author is true.

Also the definition that i use, is universally used like this

1.https://interestingliterature.com/2021/10/barthes-death-of-the-author-summary-analysis/ (Basically ignore the author background to focus only in the work)

And Uberto mentions it "A narrator should not supply interpretations of his work; otherwise he would not have written a novel, which is a machine for generating interpretations."

Literally the ENTIRE "BOOK" IS IN INTERNET JUST GOOGLE IT, now what you gonna say that the existence of the book is fake or what?
 
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Also you think i am so dumb that i am going to ignore you saying one thing and then saying that you didnt??? Insult my grammar all you want is obvious, because you are only prolongin these because unlike you i am actually backing my sources. Oh also your defintion of death of the author doesnt have anything with death so....
 
.... so you are a professor or you arent??? at this point i just think you are baiting on some avanced level

Oh also we are having the discussion if wikipedia isnt reliable????

Seesh you are sure a professor or you act like one
Just commenting on this, by professor, he means a teacher at a college. If you try to give them anything with a Wikipedia link as a source, they will not grade you well since Wikipedia can be edited by basically everyone, this is common knowledge. You either get a .gov or EDU as a source generally, or quotes from knowledgeable sources. So, unless you do the research to find at least several of those backing up the Wikipedia claim, you will not get far.
 
And to back up Wikipedia generally not being the best source, one upon a time there was an entire war involving Canada and such published onto it and it was believed, well it was more of a faker then Gilgamesh thinks Shirou Emiya is.
 
Just commenting on this, by professor, he means a teacher at a college. If you try to give them anything with a Wikipedia link as a source, they will not grade you well since Wikipedia can be edited by basically everyone, this is common knowledge. You either get a .gov or EDU as a source generally, or quotes from knowledgeable sources. So, unless you do the research to find at least several of those backing up the Wikipedia claim, you will not get far.
.... you know he said that he wasnt a teacher literally after he said that he was

And this isnt school, the term is universally accepted as is used as a way to determinate on how to value a work, also just... ju... write Death of the author PDF to see that i am not lying, because that is what literally everyones reminds of roland barthes

Also i still dont know if he is a teacher, specially when he said that he wasnt a teacher 3 responds later

Also there is this by a author so...

Oh also he still needs to give sources for his version of death of the author, i dont give a shit if he is a teacher because he still need to give source

Yes i am angry this BS is taking my time
 
And to back up Wikipedia generally not being the best source, one upon a time there was an entire war involving Canada and such published onto it and it was believed, well it was more of a faker then Gilgamesh thinks Shirou Emiya is.
A. Universally accepted
B. Used commonly to determinate the value of a work
C. The entire work is in google
D. An entire wikipedia page
E. The version that i give is talked in the daily michingan


Him being a teacher doesnt mean that he is rigth intristically, specially when people far more specialized than him has used the version that i am saying is the correct, because if we just assume that he is saying the truth, that his version of death of the author is the correct without giving any sources and dissmissing everything then that is just a big authority fallacy. If he is saying the truth then give his sources to back it up because even if am wrong two wrongs doesnt make a rigth..
 
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Is obvious that they are just going to give him the reasson no matter (because he is what because this wiki isnt about logic or who is rigth this is about popularity contest and who side can overpower the other side with more potent mob mentality
 
So common go ahead give your sources because if you keep deflecting trying to avoid giving something then i am going to disagree with you and keep arguing till my meds do something weird to my body
 
Yeah sure but i cant just support everyone giving his support to him for no real reasson because he is a teacher (WICH WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT TYPE HE TEACHS AS FAR AS WE KNOW HE COULD BE TEACH BIOLOGY OR MATH)
 
I'm not here to actually argue with you, I'm here to correct mistakes about sources and such.

FYI good luck giving a Wikipedia link to a professor as an actual argument.

This meant that if you tried to give a college professor a Wikipedia link it'd be automatically denied. Because as constantly said in this thread, Wikipedia is a terrible source as I've given an example of. Gin did not say he was a professor, this is obvious in his post is worded, he said "a professor" this means any professor at a college, not that he himself is a professor. So are wrong. I have no intention of debating here regardless.
 
I'm not here to actually argue with you, I'm here to correct mistakes about sources and such.



This meant that if you tried to give a college professor a Wikipedia link it'd be automatically denied. Because as constantly said in this thread, Wikipedia is a terrible source as I've given an example of. Gin did not say he was a professor, this is obvious in his post is worded, he said "a professor" this means any professor at a college, not that he himself is a professor. So are wrong. I have no intention of debating here regardless.
Oh that makes sense i guess... But that still doesnt change my point that is accepted to the point where several writters have made columns about it, also i still havent found a version that coincides with his version kek
 
I recommend just waiting for Gin himself to respond, while also chilling the F out. Nothing is gained by lashing out.
 
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