Avengers: Endgame Revision (with major spoilers)

[Tyranno223]

I don't think the description for Hulk's Endgame Ap is right. He was never actually stated to be the strongest, it was just claimed that he was probably the only one capable of surviving the gauntlet, with one major reason being the fact the stones give off a lot of gamma radiation, which is what powers the hulk.

 

[KLOL506]

i think cull should be downgrade to 7-a......his justification is he wanted to fight hulk which is not worthy of being a justificatio

You're a bit late to the party on that xD

Plans of downgrading Cull are already underway.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

I'm surprised it wasn't once brought up in this thread about Iron Man talking about the power of the gauntlet generates enough energy to blow away a continent.

Considering Thor, Hulk, and the Columb Barrier were Large Country Level beforehand and Thanos battled them casually in Infinity War, it's pretty consistent to say that Thanos (albeit barely since even he admitted it nearly killed him) should be Continent Level.

Hulk said the only reason he'd survive was because the energy created from the gauntlet was mostly gamma.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It was light up, not blow away.

 

[Hellbeast1]

And that's only tier 7

 

[Gemmysaur]

Didn't Banner say that he didn't know if he'd survive, just that he has the best chance because gamma?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

"The energy, it's all gamma. It's like I was made for this."

Something along those lines.

 

[Hellbeast1]

That's what he said

 

[Deleted member 2530]

I think Tony said that Bruce could maybe absorb the radiation so that he would not be dead. Thanos states ' I will shread this Universe down to its last atom and thsn remake it with the guantlet you have collected for me' along these lines meaning he would destroy everything the same way he was doing for all these years then he would use the guantlet

 

[HrishikeshM]

"The energy, it's all gamma. It's like I was made for this."
Something along those lines.

yes i remember that hulk is not claimed to be strongest because he was talking about gamma radiation

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Ah I remember now, I suppose you can remove that statement.

Can lighting up a continent be calculated btw?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Do we have an agreement on Stormbreaker and Cap's shield yet?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Also while I agree MFTL is a massive outlier, I do believe they should be MHS+ via scaling to Mjolnir feats and the meteor calc.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Will Captain Marvel's page be created, she should be at least High 6-B, likely higher

 

[Revan_Laha]

Okay I'm doing it

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Remember she has a 9-B key pre-awakening.

 

[Jasonsith]

^ good

Just to make sure all feat data are properly referenced and calculated, thanks.

 

[Revan_Laha]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

 

[Dziga]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

We are still debating how we should handle CM's tiering, and that far higher section needs to be removed.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Thanos is also far higher than High 6-B, so Carol would be far higher regardless of whether Captain Marvel is far stronger than Thanos.

 

[Dziga]

Wouldn't Bleeding Edge and Doctor Strange have to be likely Far Higher then.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Why does any of them have far higher anyway?

 

[DMUA]

Thanos is only likely higher

And, Tony could only draw a drop of blood from Thanos anyhow.

 

[Dziga]

They actually don't. Thanos only has likely higher because it was stated he was the strongest being in the universe and physically stomped the Hulk and the High 6-B could barely even draw a puddle of blood from him. Anyone but Thanos should have likely higher.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Hela is stronger than Thanos and beat him in the wiki and she has "higher" only with weaponary.

 

[Dziga]

Also the higher scaling from Surtur too. Anyways I removed the far higher to higher in CM's profile.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

No one scales from Surtur.

 

[Dziga]

His profile scales to Odin who scales to Surtur. Not that I'm defending it just that it's in his profile.

 

[Qawsedf234]

No one has really offered counter evidence as to why Stormbreaker should remain 5-A.

As for the shield I think it should stay at 7-A or get an at least rating. We know someone like Thanos can physically crush Vibranium and pre-Ragnarok Hulk can dent it, so why should we suddenly make Cap's shield billions of times better than other Vibranium. Plus if we make his shield 6-B we would need to make BP and GJ's claws/armor 6-B as well which seems extremely strange and out there.

 

[Jasonsith]

I'll leave it to you all on the Awakened key phase

Comments on the suppressed key phase:

Bending a steel pole (by whatever means) is only Street level (for a narrow bar at ~ 2.8 cm diameter) and Wall level for a thick rod (at ~ 7 cm diameter).

If this is what a suppressed Carol is at her maximum... well she is baseline AP stomped by Hercule Sata.

 

[1997KD]

antman reacting to the explosion in last moment is good for speed feat? or just an outlier?

 

[AKM sama]

That's the speed at which he shrinks, not his reaction speed per se. He could've pressed the button anytime after he saw the missile or explosion.

 

[DMUA]

Snip

If Cap's shield was 7-A, it would have instantly shattered from one blow from the infinity sword.

Hulk can damage it, sure, but Thor hitting the shield full force didn't do anything

The Shield's already stated to be an alloy, so assuming it's much stronger then run of the mill vibranium isn't out there.

Did Black Panther even do actual damage to it? Like, maybe he scratched the paint, but I don't remember him actually damaging the shield.

 

[KLOL506]

I agree with DMUA. It took Thanos multiple hits to even break off a chunk of the shield, and even then it was in usable condition.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The Shield's already stated to be an alloy, so assuming it's much stronger then run of the mill vibranium isn't out there.

When has it ever been stated as an alloy in the MCU? Its called pure vibranium in the movie its introduced in.

Did Black Panther even do actual damage to it? Like, maybe he scratched the paint, but I don't remember him actually damaging the shield.

It was stated that they damaged the shield in the guidebook for Civil War

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

If his shield is upgraded... Wouldn't that affect pre-IW Scarlet Witch and Ultron though ?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean, I guess you can say that Stark reforged it to be stronger. Its sorta mentioned in Homecoming. But that seems like a large assumption to make to get rid of scaling issues and inconsistencies.

 

[The_Impress]

If his shield is upgraded... Wouldn't that affect pre-IW Scarlet Witch and Ultron though ?

Which would lead to us scaling Iron Man from Ultron, and then Captain America etc., etc. Essentially 1/4 of the verse would be upgraded if we try to upgrade the Tier the shield gives. Durability upgrade is fine tho.

 

[KLOL506]

Only the shield dura will be upgraded, nothing else. That's the actual argument xD

 

[Qawsedf234]

If the shield gets upgraded than BP and other vibranium stuff gets upgraded. So we end up getting Hulk denting Vibranium in Phase I or Thor, Iron Man, and Vision melting vibranium in AoU.