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Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
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That didn't remotely help I'm still very confused because I never used the fire bending ship at all period in the 8-A calc so idk what you're taking about

Could you perhaps be referring to the water bender ship that fits 5 people
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
This value you found in you compilation
xlORb02.jpg


Use it as a minimum width for the ice structure

Then plug all that into this

keisan.casio.com

Volume of an elliptic truncated cone Calculator

Calculates the volume, lateral area and surface area of an elliptic truncated cone given the lower and upper semi-axes and height.
keisan.casio.com keisan.casio.com

Thats your new volume
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Oh that feat (that's 8-C) he whole point is that that's not a cylinder its got a third dimension as a wave that covered the entire length of the ship and pushed it we're only seeing one side of it there but when it pushes against the ship we see the water covers the entire top portion of the ship and pushes it so I used the length of the ship and a half cylinder


The ship wouldn't be pushed and seperated the way it was if it was that shape and the water wouldn't cover as much of the top of the ship it did coming from that one spot when its shown to cover it all
 
Dalesean027 said:
Oh that feat (that's 8-C) he whole point is that that's not a cylinder its got a third dimension as a wave that covered the entire length of the ship and pushed it we're only seeing one side of it there but when it pushes against the ship we see the water covers the entire top portion of the ship and pushes it so I used the length of the ship and a half cylinder


The ship wouldn't be pushed and seperated the way it was if it was that shape and the water wouldn't cover as much of the top of the ship it did coming from that one spot when its shown to cover it all
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Use the width of the ship you found on Katara's calc

Move it over to your water benders calc to use as the WIDTH of the ice structure, not the length. The length is correct

The ice structure is not cylindrical, as in they only rose the area of the ship which is shaped like an oval

You see what I mean?

Your calc uses a frustum (Which is correct) but it assumes the mass of ice is perfectly circular when looked at from above

When in reality it only needs to lift up the ship (which is ovular in shape) hence the structure would also be an oval

It's super easy to fix

just do what I said up here
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
This value you found in you compilation
xlORb02.jpg


Use it as a minimum width for the ice structure

Then plug all that into this

keisan.casio.com

Volume of an elliptic truncated cone Calculator

Calculates the volume, lateral area and surface area of an elliptic truncated cone given the lower and upper semi-axes and height.
keisan.casio.com keisan.casio.com

Thats your new volume
Click to expand...
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Use the width of the ship you found on Katara's calc

Move it over to your water benders calc to use as the WIDTH of the ice structure, not the length. The length is correct

The ice structure is not cylindrical, as in they only rose the area of the ship which is shaped like an oval

You see what I mean?

Your calc uses a frustum (Which is correct) but it assumes the mass of ice is perfectly circular when looked at from above

When in reality it only needs to lift up the ship (which is ovular in shape) hence the structure would also be an oval

It's super easy to fix

just do what I said up here
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Ah okay I see what you mean then that was very confusing, I'll switch it up when I'm off overwatch, it honestly should still be 8-A tbh
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Use the width of the ship you found on Katara's calc

Move it over to your water benders calc to use as the WIDTH of the ice structure, not the length. The length is correct

The ice structure is not cylindrical, as in they only rose the area of the ship which is shaped like an oval

You see what I mean?

Your calc uses a frustum (Which is correct) but it assumes the mass of ice is perfectly circular when looked at from above

When in reality it only needs to lift up the ship (which is ovular in shape) hence the structure would also be an oval

It's super easy to fix

just do what I said up here
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How'd you do this fix because there's no "width" portion for a truncated cone/frustrum as the volume formula is this:
V = (1/3) * π * h * (r12 + r22 + (r1 * r2))

I still need the two base radius and top radius along with the height. So like is there an elliptical frustrum or something?
 
Dalesean027 said:
How'd you do this fix because there's no "width" portion for a truncated cone/frustrum as the volume formula is this:
V = (1/3) * π * h * (r12 + r22 + (r1 * r2))

I still need the two base radius and top radius along with the height. So like is there an elliptical frustrum or something?
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Use this
keisan.casio.com

Volume of an elliptic truncated cone Calculator

Calculates the volume, lateral area and surface area of an elliptic truncated cone given the lower and upper semi-axes and height.
keisan.casio.com keisan.casio.com
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Using the updated Northern Water Tribe and mushroom cloud calcs Book One would be “8-B+, likely Low 7-C” and Book Two/Three would “8-A, likely Low 7-C”.

And Roku and the people who scale to Toph are just plain Low 7-C.
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I would actually do something like this

Book One - 8-B+, possibly Low 7-C
Book Two - 8-A+, possibly Low 7-C
Book Three - Low 7-C

For three I put Aang as Low 7-C because even though he was inferior, he was able to block and match Amped Ozai blow for blow

Toph, Boomi, Ozai, Iroh are all Low 7-C
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
I would actually do something like this

Book One - 8-B+, possibly Low 7-C
Book Two - 8-A+, possibly Low 7-C
Book Three - Low 7-C

For three I put Aang as Low 7-C because even though he was inferior, he was able to block and match Amped Ozai blow for blow

Toph, Boomi, Ozai, Iroh are all Low 7-C
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The 7-C calc still exist
 
I think this thread should be changed to avatar verse upgrade or something similar
We have long diverged over what we were originally talking about

Also I'd appreciate some staff input on which scaling chain they prefer
Low 7-C or 7-C
 
Dalesean027 said:
@Shmeatywerbenmanjenson add the shockwave of the blast to your calc its still lowballed
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The PSI required to create 30 mph winds (What we see them affected by) is only 0.001102 bars
Using my first found distance of around 2 km
R^3*((27136*P+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2
2000^3*((27136*0.001102+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 1.12134038894 tons (8-C)

So it wouldn't be an upgrade

Also I have a feeling that if mine is the one accepted it's gonna be the sand version of it, because it makes more sense both narratively and scaling wise
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
The PSI required to create 30 mph winds (What we see them affected by) is only 0.001102 bars
Using my first found distance of around 2 km
R^3*((27136*P+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2
2000^3*((27136*0.001102+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 1.12134038894 tons (8-C)

So it wouldn't be an upgrade

Also I have a feeling that if mine is the one accepted it's gonna be the sand version of it, because it makes more sense both narratively and scaling wise
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No you add that to the blast for total energy
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
I don't think you do since the calculated energy is already higher than what is required to create a blastwave of that size and magnitude

Adding them together would be like adding two different versions of a calc together to get a final value
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Not it wouldn't its literally all the same one feat of shooting the mass into the air and creating the shockwave so its

1.12134038894 + 14 = 15.12134038894 Tons of TNT total energy

Its the same thing I did for my calc
 
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