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Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
So I was looking at the Avatar verse page and I saw that there are already some calculation for stuff that we've calced

We need to evaluate them and see which are more accurate

Also this means some of Aang's old calcs can be used again
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Dai Li feat is still unusable unfortunately but given clips of said feats I can give my own opinions

Also some need recalcs
 
Keeweed said:
Yeah, the boat lifting with 25 benders. The 8-B one was support.
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I wouldn’t really call a feat over 10x weaker than another “support” honestly.
Dalesean027 said:
Every bit of scaling comes from all of these
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I mean, her feat seems to be the odd one out. Not impossible at all, but definitely strange.

Only Aang’s Low 7-C feat and Toph’s 7-C feat really support her being this powerful casually. And Toph is notably stronger than like the entire gang by a wide margin anyway so it’s really only Aang’s feat that helps.

Every other feat in the series is several times weaker than this, with noticeably more effort put into them than “random water benders do a thing”. If she’s casually 8-A+, then a lot of other feats where characters are trying and don’t also get 8-A+ seem a bit weird.

If there are more feats on that level than it should be fine imo.
 
ByAsura said:
I want to mention that I have some versions of those calculations that were accepted in the past.
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I'd say we should go with my end for Roku since I used the 100 mile measure we're given in the same scene but for sure we can use the other stuff
 
Actually @ByAsura do you want to get the KE of the water Katara moved as well since you've gotbmostly all of that done already there? Or would you rather I just did it myself
 
ByAsura said:
I want to mention that I have some versions of those calculations that were accepted in the past. Plus, an 8-B earth bending feat for Aang's predecessor without the Avatar state.

There's also a Combustion Man feat, but I think it's kind of an outlier.
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I mean Combustion Man is consistently an issue because he’s so strong with his explosions, with Aang blocking one of them. That low-end doesn’t place him too far ahead of the bulk of the other 8-B feats, if anything makes it a bit consistent.
 
Dalesean027 said:
Actually @ByAsura do you want to get the KE of the water Katara moved as well since you've gotbmostly all of that done already there? Or would you rather I just did it myself
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You can. I'm not sure if it'd be worth it.
Kingofwolves999 said:
I mean Combustion Man is consistently an issue because he’s so strong with his explosions, with Aang blocking one of them. That low-end doesn’t place him too far ahead of the bulk of the other 8-B feats, if anything makes it a bit consistent.
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I removed the outlier part because I realised that I was thinking of ratings from years ago.
 
ByAsura said:
What do you think about Combustion Man's feat?
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His feat is solid and considering the other feats we have at this level we've agreed its not an outlier and can be used with the ends you suggested

Yeah actually Katana's stuff will probably be 8-C at most so we can go without it
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I wouldn’t really call a feat over 10x weaker than another “support” honestly.

I mean, her feat seems to be the odd one out. Not impossible at all, but definitely strange.

Only Aang’s Low 7-C feat and Toph’s 7-C feat really support her being this powerful casually. And Toph is notably stronger than like the entire gang by a wide margin anyway so it’s really only Aang’s feat that helps.

Every other feat in the series is several times weaker than this, with noticeably more effort put into them than “random water benders do a thing”. If she’s casually 8-A+, then a lot of other feats where characters are trying and don’t also get 8-A+ seem a bit weird.

If there are more feats on that level than it should be fine imo.
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Ten times weaker is not that crazy of a power difference at all. The beginning and end of wall level are separated by over a 1000 times yet I don’t think anyone would even question for half a second a wooden wall breaking feat as support for breaking a stone wall.

Even in general 10 times isn’t monstrously large.

However in general, I see we both have vastly different opinions on what is consistent here, and so I’ll just wait and see what ends up being more consistent as more feats are calculated.
 
Keeweed said:
Ten times weaker is not that crazy of a power difference at all. The beginning and end of wall level are separated by over a 1000 times yet I don’t think anyone would even question for half a second a wooden wall breaking feat as support for breaking a stone wall.

Even in general 10 times isn’t monstrously large.


However in general, I see we both have vastly different opinions and so I’ll just wait and see what ends up being more consistent as more feats are calculated.
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It’s more so the circumstances around a 10x difference.

Like, she didn’t actually do the feat, we’re just assuming she’s as strong as one of the other guys who are apparently casually 8-A+.

But then there are like 15+ other feats that are in the mid-high 8-B range, with more effort being put into them by characters we actually know.

Like I said, the Aang feat is support for her 8-A+, but that’s really the only one. At least so far. So if there’s more feats in that range then I would see no problem.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Like I said, the Aang feat is support for her 8-A+, but that’s really the only one. At least so far. So if there’s more feats in that range then I would see no problem.
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Well to be fair that's kinda the point of the thread as of now we're looking for feats that either need calcs or have been previously deemed outliers to see if they coincide with all the stuff we currently have
 
Dalesean027 said:
Well to be fair that's kinda the point of the thread as of now we're looking for feats that either need calcs or have been previously deemed outliers to see if they coincide with all the stuff we currently have
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I know, my main question coming in was just about the 8-B water bender feat, since I didn’t notice the 8-A one.

Everything else just looks incredibly consistent with Mid-High 8-B / Low 8-A.

And Toph being a literal god that no one but Bumi scales to means her ceiling basically doesn’t exist.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I know, my main question coming in was just about the 8-B water bender feat, since I didn’t notice the 8-A one.

Everything else just looks incredibly consistent with Mid-High 8-B / Low 8-A.

And Toph being a literal god that no one but Bumi scales to means her ceiling basically doesn’t exist.
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Nice and understandable

Thoughts on Aang and Roku's non avatar state low 7-C feats?

Also in the blog shmeaty linked a aang has a 7-C feat also but idk when that takes place

Also Iroh's 8-B feat is literally right off of 8-A
 
“Like, she didn’t actually do the feat, we’re just assuming she’s as strong as one of the other guys who are apparently casually 8-A+.”

When did anyone calm they were causal. It was a 25 man effort.

When it comes to katara scaling, she vaguely fought one of the tribe masters and then was trained by them. Meanwhile the random guys are specifically just a large collection of random guys. She absolutely should be better then super generic water bender 74, especially since so many random members were able to contribute.

Aang, Roku, and Toph all have low 7-C feats; you make it sound like only Toph has one.
 
Dalesean027 said:
Nice and understandable

Thoughts on Aang and Roku's non avatar state low 7-C feats?

Also in the blog shmeaty linked a aang has a 7-C feat also but idk when that takes place

Also Iroh's 8-B feat right off of 8-A
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I mean the Aang one fits with the Katara one, not much more I can really say else.

Idk the Roku feat, but depending on his age, it would be even stranger if untrained Aang was as strong if not stronger than him. Roku himself also doesn’t have any anti-feats so anything he does should be fine to himself and Sozin. If there’s a statement that Ozai or Iroh are stronger than Sozin than that would be nice grounds for scaling to Roku.

That 7-C feat is in the avatar state so doesn’t mean much.

Iroh feat is solid, though he did that under Sozin’s Comet, so he was amped while doing it. I’d say that supports 8-A regardless.
Keeweed said:
“Like, she didn’t actually do the feat, we’re just assuming she’s as strong as one of the other guys who are apparently casually 8-A+.”

When did anyone calm they were causal. It was a 25 man effort.

When it comes to katara scaling, she vaguely fought one of the tribe masters and then was trained by them. Meanwhile the random guys are specifically just a large collection of random guys. She absolutely should be better then super generic water bender 74, especially since so many random members were able to contribute.

Aang, Roku, and Toph all have low 7-C feats; you make it sound like only Toph has one.
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I’m not against you on this, calm down.

I’m just saying that the logistics don’t fit into other scaling.

As I’ve already said (numerous times), I ACKNOWLEDGE the Aang feat as support, literally in my first post. That is good evidence that Low 7-C could be consistent, but I would be FAR more comfortable having more than two feats vs tons of other ones that take noticeably more effort for lower results.

Toph doesn’t scale to anyone else since she’s way stronger, so her feat (which is 7-C and stronger than Aang’s) does not matter to Katara.

Idk how Roku scales to untrained, base Aang and Book one characters, so I need reasoning for why his feat is support for Katara.

So yeah, there’s a bit more logic required before I say “yeah forget all the other feats, 8-A+/Low 7-C is the most consistent.” Idk what you want me to say.
 
Sorry that I came off as pushy (or whatever word you would use to describe it), that wasn’t my intent at all. I absolutely get that discussions about consistency are always really complicated (since it massively relies on opinions).
 
ByAsura said:
I'd say there's narrative, though. Otherwise, Toph and Bumi would've been a much more massive threat to Ozai with Sozin's Comet.
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I mean, from what I’ve seen in the thread, her and Bumi are above everyone else by a massive margin, so they would 100% be problems for Ozai more than Aang was if they fought him.

Though Toph being blind means “lightning go brr” and she dies. And idk Bumi might have smacked Ozai low key.
 
Keeweed said:
Sorry that I came off as pushy (or whatever word you would use to describe it), that wasn’t my intent at all. I absolutely get that discussions about consistency are always really complicated (since it massively relies on opinions).
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Np, I get you. Consistency is a matter of opinions, and I’m not saying my opinion is correct. Just purely for me, having more feats would be better for that proposed scaling chain.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I mean, from what I’ve seen in the thread, her and Bumi are above everyone else by a massive margin, so they would 100% be problems for Ozai more than Aang was if they fought him.
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Aang's Firebending was amped by Sozin's Comet, and had Waterbending that could match that level. So his normal feats and Earth Bending aren't indicative of much (except for his rock shields).

I recall something like Toph overpowering all of them in a Book 3 comic, but nothing from Book 4 in general. But, then again, I can't recall much even solidly scaling Aang and Toph, so I'll just drop this.
 
For analyzing consistency here's all the feats we have so far

8-B​

8-A​

Low 7-C - 7-C​

 
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
For analyzing consistency here's all the feats we have so far

8-B​

8-A​

Low 7-C​

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Thanks for that

I'm gonna try and cook🗿
 
ByAsura said:
Aang's Firebending was amped by Sozin's Comet, and had Waterbending that could match that level. So his normal feats and Earth Bending aren't indicative of much (except for his rock shields).

I recall something like Toph overpowering all of them in a Book 3 comic, but nothing from Book 4 in general. But, then again, I can't recall much even solidly scaling Aang and Toph, so I'll just drop this.
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I mean I’m purely basing my analysis of Toph off what I read in the thread about her and Bumi being wildly above everyone else. Like in post-Book 3 comics she apparently has a Tier 6 feat. So anyone scaling to her seems iffy to me without solid reasoning.
Maverick_Zero_X said:
For analyzing consistency here's all the feats we have so far

8-B​

8-A​

Low 7-C​

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ty a bunch for this.
 
Dalesean027 said:
There's also this that needs calcing
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Someone really needs to get on this
This most definitely has potential in tier 7 and an argument can be made it was done without the avatar state

Also has anyone actually gone and looked at the final fight between Aang an Ozai?

I found at least two uncalced feats already that by estimations make it into 8-A(and one of them was casual, so at the very least 8-A is secured

I'll have blogs on them tomorrow
 
Was he over the horizon, or was he just blocked by some of the sand dunes?
 
Dalesean027 said:
I PRESENT TO EVERYONE MORE TIER 7 GODLINESS
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Aang creates a giant mushroom cloud of sand

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AND THIS IS DISCOUNTING THE SHOCKWAVE ON THE LOWEST OVERPRESSURE
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Oh, you did it a different way
I used an incorrect calculation which placed the amount of dust in any cubic meter at 1/55 million


I also actually found the distance using multiple shots of the clouds size and the average height of a sand dune
Put it into an angsizing calculator and got 1.8 km which I felt was wrong

HOWEVER you assumed the mass of the sand was moving just as fast as the shockwave which it isn't
I suggest finding the height and finding how long it took to reach that size and use that as your speed
 
ByAsura said:
Was he over the horizon, or was he just blocked by some of the sand dunes?
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fairly certain he was over the horizon since the next shot zooming out is already a large distance away and the next shot after is even further out by kilometers easily


also shmeaty that's the speed it took to reach that height not the shockwaves speed
 
I wouldn't necessarily say easily kilometres. It's kind of like the ocean, where there's not really much for comparison.
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
He's pretty far away to the point where he can't scream and they hear it

I got 1.8 using ang-sizing
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It's a sand desert, and Aang is surrounded by dunes. Sand is very good at dampening sound, so I'm not surprised.
 
ByAsura said:
I wouldn't necessarily say easily kilometres. It's kind of like the ocean, where there's not really much for comparison.

It's a sand desert. So I'm not surprised.
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would you rather I halved the distance to be safe? though I'd say its pretty damn far I'd say a kilometer bare minimum
 
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