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idk, what logic does shmeaty's calculation use to get that distance?
 
not sure but I've got a sorta solution, @TheRustyOne can we get your thoughts on this calc and the use of the horizon as the distance

I'll have to do any fixes tomorrow for me when I wake up but as of now this is it so if corrections need to be done I'll do them later but we can still discuss around it as is
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Average sand dune size to scale the initial cloud width, then i used the remaining shots to track it's expansion, finally i angsized and got about 1.8 km


My result was about 400 meters for the clouds total size
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here do your version but use the same ends I did for the amount that's sand those being 90%, 95%, and 99% and see what you get this time using the density of sand then link it here and we can discuss which is best to use once we have both and you can use my clip and timeframe since those shouldn't change anything between them
 
Dalesean027 said:
here do your version but use the same ends I did for the amount that's sand those being 90%, 95%, and 99% and see what you get this time using the density of sand then link it here and we can discuss which is best to use once we have both and you can use my clip and timeframe since those shouldn't change anything between them
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Yeah i'll use 99% instead of trying to find some value online

Also could I do this tommorrow? It's really late for me rn and I don't feel like doing it

I promise tomorrow I'll come back with two more 8-A calcs for avatar and whatever this one gets
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Yeah i'll use 99% instead of trying to find some value online

Also could I do this tommorrow? It's really late for me rn and I don't feel like doing it

I promise tomorrow I'll come back with two more 8-A calcs for avatar and whatever this one gets
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Yeah bro you're all good I'm done doing calcs for tonight myself💀💀🙏
 
Dalesean027 said:
I PRESENT TO EVERYONE MORE TIER 7 GODLINESS
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Aang creates a giant mushroom cloud of sand

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AND THIS IS DISCOUNTING THE SHOCKWAVE ON THE LOWEST OVERPRESSURE
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updated this using dust instead as per Therefir's instructions and he didn't seem to have a problem with me using the horizon distance I had so ig we're all good there but since its updated now we're looking at these for our 3 ends

High End
339.23944043 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level)

Mid End
169.66484913 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level)

Low End
34.0051717879 Kilotons of TNT (Town level)


I'd personally say the low end is the best to go here but I'll see what the other CGMs think
 
Dalesean027 said:
Low End
34.0051717879 Kilotons of TNT (Town level)
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Low end was accepted so we can add this here
Maverick_Zero_X said:
For analyzing consistency here's all the feats we have so far

8-B​

8-A​

Low 7-C​

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Maverick_Zero_X said:
For analyzing consistency here's all the feats we have so far

8-B​

8-A​

Low 7-C - 7-C​

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This looks like a strong list, and I support the upgrades now that we have some multitude in the Tier 7 department.
 
Tier 8 seems to outweigh the Tier 7 calcs in terms of consistency, but now we just need to figure out where they should only scale to a specific key
 
Tier 7 only applies to people that nobodies else scales to though (as far as I’m aware). Roku and Toph don’t scale to anyone else (except the super high and rare top tiers like other avatars and bumi); and aang preformed his feats when extremely pushed to his limits.

Though I guess that can be saved for the discussion.

Should we make a thread about the consistency or should we just continue it here. I feel like it being it’s own thread would make much more sense.
 
Keeweed said:
Tier 7 only applies to people that nobodies else scales to though (as far as I’m aware). Roku and Toph don’t scale to anyone else (except the super high and rare top tiers like other avatars and bumi); and aang preformed his feats when extremely pushed to his limits.

Though I guess that can be saved for the discussion.

Should we make a thread about the consistency or should we just continue it here. I feel like it being it’s own thread would make much more sense.
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A separate thread from this would be highly recommended, so yeah
 
Proposing:

Book One: "8-B, likely Low 7-C"
Book Two - Three: "8-B, likely 7-C" ("Low 7-C, likely 7-C" for Toph since she's top tier and he a solid Low 7-C feat of her own, with King Bumi, Roku, and Comet Ozai/Iroh scaling to or above her)

Since we don't have any reason to scale child Aang to Roku and Toph is in a league of her own there's not too many supporting feats for Low 7-C BoS Aang (same with 7-C Season 2 Aang technically). Granted the 8-A+ feats works as a supporting feat for Low 7-C since it's close enough, so I think a "likely" rating is a good compromise.
 
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
Proposing:

Book One: "8-A, likely Low 7-C"
Book Two - Three: "8-A, likely 7-C" ("Low 7-C, likely 7-C" for Toph since she's top tier and he a solid Low 7-C feat of her own, with King Bumi, Roku, and Comet Ozai/Iroh scaling to or above her)

Since we don't have any reason to scale child Aang to Roku and Toph is in a league of her own there's not too many supporting feats for Low 7-C BoS Aang (same with 7-C Season 2 Aang technically). Granted the 8-A+ feats works as a supporting feat for Low 7-C since it's close enough, so I think a "likely" rating is a good compromise.
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This works pretty well imo, good work Mav and also add this as well please when you can its a solid feat for Iroh
Dalesean027 said:
Its not listed there but Iroh also has a 8-A feat as well sitting at 138.680883719 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level)

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Avatar Feats

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Maverick_Zero_X said:
Proposing:

Book One: "8-A, likely Low 7-C"
Book Two - Three: "8-A, likely 7-C" ("Low 7-C, likely 7-C" for Toph since she's top tier and he a solid Low 7-C feat of her own, with King Bumi, Roku, and Comet Ozai/Iroh scaling to or above her)

Since we don't have any reason to scale child Aang to Roku and Toph is in a league of her own there's not too many supporting feats for Low 7-C BoS Aang (same with 7-C Season 2 Aang technically). Granted the 8-A+ feats works as a supporting feat for Low 7-C since it's close enough, so I think a "likely" rating is a good compromise.
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I like how you compiled all of this into a reasonable structure, this should work
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Proposing:

Book One: "8-A, likely Low 7-C"
Book Two - Three: "8-A, likely 7-C" ("Low 7-C, likely 7-C" for Toph since she's top tier and he a solid Low 7-C feat of her own, with King Bumi, Roku, and Comet Ozai/Iroh scaling to or above her)

Since we don't have any reason to scale child Aang to Roku and Toph is in a league of her own there's not too many supporting feats for Low 7-C BoS Aang (same with 7-C Season 2 Aang technically). Granted the 8-A+ feats works as a supporting feat for Low 7-C since it's close enough, so I think a "likely" rating is a good compromise.
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I agree with this
 
Seeing the verse page I saw listed this Aang feat which is 51.428 Kilotons, something that aling pretty well with his new 34 Kilotons feat, and there is also this random past Avatar 17.93 Megatons feat but I assume we aren't going to scale anyone to that no?
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
Seeing the verse page I saw listed this Aang feat which is 51.428 Kilotons, something that aling pretty well with his new 34 Kilotons feat, and there is also this random past Avatar 17.93 Megatons feat but I assume we aren't going to scale anyone to that no?
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The 51 kiloton feat was apparently done in the Avatar state so it doesn't matter to Aang's 34 kiloton feat
 
Dalesean027 said:
The 51 kiloton feat was apparently done in the Avatar state so it doesn't matter to Aang's 34 kiloton feat
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Now that you mention that is true, still can be used to put a numerical value to his avatar state, and could be also useful to judge how we should take thist feat (since he seemed to enter in the Avatar state for a moment) depending of its value.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Proposing:

Book One: "8-A, likely Low 7-C"
Book Two - Three: "8-A, likely 7-C" ("Low 7-C, likely 7-C" for Toph since she's top tier and he a solid Low 7-C feat of her own, with King Bumi, Roku, and Comet Ozai/Iroh scaling to or above her)

Since we don't have any reason to scale child Aang to Roku and Toph is in a league of her own there's not too many supporting feats for Low 7-C BoS Aang (same with 7-C Season 2 Aang technically). Granted the 8-A+ feats works as a supporting feat for Low 7-C since it's close enough, so I think a "likely" rating is a good compromise.
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Looks good.
 
Also Dale I noticed a problem with the waterbending calc that got 8-A

You used the radius of the entire firebending ship for it's width AND length

However due to the shape of the ship the width does not need to be the exact same size as the ships length

I recommend using your previous calc in which you found the width of the back of a ship to use as a minimum for the ice structures width

Plug it into an elliptical conical frustum and the get your volume

This would probably bump it down to high 8-B to low 8-A territory which is way more consitant scaling wise
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Also Dale I noticed a problem with the waterbending calc that got 8-A

You used the radius of the entire firebending ship for it's width AND length

However due to the shape of the ship the width does not need to be the exact same size as the ships length

I recommend using your previous calc in which you found the width of the back of a ship to use as a minimum for the ice structures width

Plug it into an elliptical conical frustum and the get you volume

This would probably bump it down to high 8-B to low 8-A territory which is way more consitant scaling wise
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Wait what I didn't use the fire bending ship at all I used the middle height of the ice structure because of its slant as a good middle ground length and the truncated cone as the shape

Pls take another look at the blog
 
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