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What is the conensus about the speed rating?
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Armored Boros 6-A Upgrade CRT
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Yeah the speed rating is different. Boros being able to one tap and clown his subordinates doesn't translate to being faster than Gery's attacks. He could just tank and spank or something along those lines. Its why we never scaled Orochi to FTL despite the Murata quote back when we used those.
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I always wondered if Sealed Boros was really strong because in the mobile games he's perfectly playable and I believe he's a boss as well lol
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I think the argument is that Boros thought he could take on Saitama after the latter reacted to Geryu's sub-light attacks.
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But the thing is that Boros really wouldn't know that. The thing from Murata is that Saitama sees it as a bad joke and after tanking the attack he just threw a rock.
I'm not seeing a valid reasoning to scale Boros' speed that high for this incarnation.
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Fair enough
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That would downgrade all of Boros’ “possibly FTL” stats then, wouldn’t it?
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No, it's just that Armoured Boros doesn't scale. The other two versions directly fought Saitama
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We don’t scale off of Saitama and his speed justification in Released is clearly based on scaling to Geryuganshoop. So…
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Released's scaling comes from Saitama putting more effort into fighting Released Boros then him just catching the rock. But I'm fine with the removal tbh
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Okay.. so which format do we choose here?
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Only for released if we go down that path. MB visibly shocked Saitama during his rush so it would stay.
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^^mb pos ftl is my view on it
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Ok, two staff have agreed on the AP/dura ratings.
My take: At least Small city level, likely Continent level. I think a possibly is too little for the evidence Quan brought.
My take: At least Small city level, likely Continent level. I think a possibly is too little for the evidence Quan brought.
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No? This is only restrained.
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What you said is different from what the scan says. It was not implied or stated that those stone pillars are more durable than the outer hull which is made of metal.
Solid Construction=/=Equivalent durability to the outer hull.
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Aren't the pillars and doors made of the same material? What is your point by emphasizing the fact that the hull is made of metal?
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The outer metal hull tanked Saitama's jump, not the stone pillars.
And I was addressing the other point. He claimed that the room is more durable than other parts of the ship. The scan obviously doesn't state that.
Also, what about the door? I don't remember it tanking Saitama's Moon jump, the OP claims the door is 6-A in durability for some reasons. And he doesn't provide any evidence as to why. Only how Saitama broke a supposedly 6-A door and the scan from the manga with no 6-A going on for it.
Why is that door 6-A again?
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The argument is that since the door, pillars and the outer hull are made of metal, plus with the statement the throne room has very solid construction, they are arguably relative in durability.
Don't get me wrong, I was just addressing your points regarding the door and pillars are not made of metal, but some random stones.
Don't get me wrong, I was just addressing your points regarding the door and pillars are not made of metal, but some random stones.
They are all made of metal. So I assume your argument is that the outer hull is made of harder metal?
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Regarding the door, didn't Geryuganshoop fight Saitama after he broke though the door in the manga?
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Yeah, both scans talk about the insides of the ship as if it were an impenetrable fortress and the most important part to protect from invaders. There is no reason to assume the outer parts are harder than that strange alien material. If that were the case, the databook would have made a statement on the exterior being recovered with an even harder steel.
In the anime we see that most of the interior of the ship is made of the same material as the exterior, and Boros' room is the only slightlly different part. If anything, the epicenter, where the core belongs, should be even harder.
In the anime we see that most of the interior of the ship is made of the same material as the exterior, and Boros' room is the only slightlly different part. If anything, the epicenter, where the core belongs, should be even harder.
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And? Geryuganshoop isn't stated to be able to sense power levels. He can't know how strong you must be to break the door.
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There is no stone, that's just what Saitama called it. Like when he called the Lava he bathed in water.
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I agree that we don't really need the super low end Low 7-B part for this, just "Likely 6-A" should work better, the evidence is good enough
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It depends on how much Geryuganshoop knew about the durability of the door. It's unlikely that he was completely ignorant but he might indeed have underestimated the amount of force needed for the door.
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Some characters also just overestimate themselves.
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It looks like Saitama damaged the Hull in his 20% damage spree. He also notes how the ship hasn't fallen from his punches. Further showing how resistant the metal is.
There's also this from the Hero Encyclopedia:
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There's also this from the Hero Encyclopedia:
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- The ship is so resistant that it didn't fall even after a series of Saitama's "normal punches." "
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The interior and exterior of the ship are basically treated as one. No need to separate them without further evidence.
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Yeah, there is that as well. A lot of characters in the series tend to do that, so that isn't implausible.
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He’s talking about the pillar debris which has the exact appearance of stone and rock whereas the ship’s outside (which is what took the 6-A landing) is explicitly drawn, bends, and breaks like metal. This is shown numerous times. There is a difference between the interior and exterior of the ship and this is even further emphasized when once the ship falls, you see stone, not metal falling from above in Boros' room. Stone with the same appearance as the stones from the pillars and door in that room.
And very solid construction doesn't mean much. The rooms in a house can have very solid walls but that doesn't mean the walls that separate the room spaces are made out of brick just because the outside walls are.
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The material is a non factor here tbh. The thing is the inside durbility of the ship isn't differentiated from the outside in any statement. If anything, like I said before, the main room, which guards the core, should be harder than every other part.
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The material is very much a factor. Why would the two being different not be a factor? One material is explicitly metal and is the one that survived a 6-A landing, the other is stone didn't and has no feat to support it. It doesn't matter if there are statements to differentiate the outside and the interior of the ship and there are no statements to say they are the same.
And saying the main room that guards the core should be harder than every part is an assumption. For all we know, there could be a reason the room couldn't be metal and that is why Boros is there to protect the core.
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I'm confused why the databook says the pillars and doors are made of metal, despite them looking like rocks/stones. Perhaps that is some kind of alien metal that looks like rocks?
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It isn't because rocks (supposedly) aren't necessarily weaker than steel in fiction. That's assuming they are really rocks.
It does matter. The burden of proof is on you to prove they are not as hard as one another, because there are no statements that say so. The only statement we got on the ship's durability was one talking about its insides and how strong its unknown steel was. If the outside were stronger they would have said so, but they make no differentiation.
That is also an assumption on your part. I could say: what if Boros weren't present? Who would protect the core then? Furthermore, it isn't the only room with the same composition. The camera room also looks like Boros', and he isn't there to protect it. Instead, it should be the most important room of the entire ship because it is the control center, yet it is weaker than every other part? Makes no sense. They both should be harder.
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Yeah, the doors are implied here to be harder than the rest of the ship, which is literally the same material as the one that tanked Saitama's jump. Then there is Boros' room, the pillars of which look like the door.
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That's irrelevant when the rocks don't have feats of surviving 6-A damage compared to the metal that does.
Outside survived 6-A damage, inside did not, that's enough proof. We already know the outside is strong because it took numerous 7-A attacks and a 6-A landing which was all drawn to be impressive.
My assumption was just to show that there are perfectly reasonable explanations other than your assumption for why the room is made of stone. Regardless, this is irrelevant because, at the end of the day, it's an assumption to say Boros' room should be harder than every other part of the ship.
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