One-Punch Man - Downgrade Boros's speed

[Shadow_x007x]

Because Damage3245 told me I can create a thread on the fly. And this is a fairly simple thread. I'm going to talk about what to use to counter Boros' current speed stat.
(Please don't start a war here. I know it makes you feel weird)

Supersonic+​

Reasons for scaling

• - (Should be vastly superior to Melzargard, Groribas and Geryuganshoop)

Problem

• - Melzargard's speed is calculated based on attack speed from attacks created by wind waves, not Melzargard's own speed.

High Hypersonic+​

Problem

• The reason for the correction can be read in the thread.

Relativistic+ (0.90c)​

Reasons for scaling

• - Kicked Saitama to the moon in nearly an instant. His striking speed should be comparable to his kick. Pushes his speed beyond the previous limits of his bod

Problem

• - This is Throwing Feats if the character can throw something at near the speed of light. That doesn't mean the characters will move at near the speed of light either.

Proposals for corrections​

Spoiler: Option 1

Speed: Unknown (Should be vastly superior to Melzargard, Groribas and Geryuganshoop), possibly Relativistic+ (Perceived the fight between Saitama and Geryuganshoop, and was confident in fighting the former even after witnessing him react to Geryuganshoop's near lightspeed pitches) | Supersonic+, possibly Relativistic+ | Supersonic+ (Much faster than before), possibly FTL (Saitama was seemingly surprised by the speed of Boros' Meteoric Burst, while he considered Geryuganshoop's near light speed pitches to be nothing but a bad joke), Relativistic+ with attack speed (Kicked Saitama to the moon in nearly an instant)

Spoiler: Option 2

Melsargard will scale faster than Sky Kings, then Sky King will scale on par with Deep Sea Kings.
Speed: At least Hypersonic (Should be vastly superior to Melzargard, Groribas and Geryuganshoop), possibly Relativistic+ (Perceived the fight between Saitama and Geryuganshoop, and was confident in fighting the former even after witnessing him react to Geryuganshoop's near lightspeed pitches) | At least Hypersonic (Much faster than before), possibly Relativistic+ | At least Hypersonic (Much faster than before), possibly FTL (Saitama was seemingly surprised by the speed of Boros' Meteoric Burst, while he considered Geryuganshoop's near light speed pitches to be nothing but a bad joke), Relativistic+ with attack speed (Kicked Saitama to the moon in nearly an instant)

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Supersonic Meteor Boros is insane.

I disagree, it is assumed that the moon throw was implemented due to the fact that Boros' entire body was accelerated at near-light speeds, and not just one leg. It reacts to the speed of its movement.

Plus, given the trend of the One-Punch Man universe, we have no reason to believe that Boros punches hundreds of thousands of times faster than he reacts, he's not that kind of character.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Btw, he SERIOUSLY surprised Saitama with his speed, which clearly makes him faster than Platinum.

 

[darkphantom9805]

It makes him faster then everyone pre cosmic garou but this site is biased towards him and ignores every feat and statement to lowball him as much as possible

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Supersonic Meteor Boros is insane

hahaha yeah that's crazy. But we don't have any more evidence for his speed than this.

I disagree, it is assumed that the moon throw was implemented due to the fact that Boros' entire body was accelerated at near-light speeds, and not just one leg. It reacts to the speed of its movement.

Plus, given the trend of the One-Punch Man universe, we have no reason to believe that Boros punches hundreds of thousands of times faster than he reacts, he's not that kind of character

If you're talking about the momentum that would occur for Boros' speed to kick Saitama causing him to move at near light speed, I actually did the calculations. But it has not yet been verified. If this calculation is accepted Their level of attack speed and movement speed were not hundreds of thousands of times apart like this.

 

[darkphantom9805]

hahaha yeah that's crazy. But we don't have any more evidence for his speed than this.

We do multiple actually but y’all choose to ignore it

 

[Damage3245]

Btw, he SERIOUSLY surprised Saitama with his speed, which clearly makes him faster than Platinum.

Saitama never fought Platinum Sperm...

 

[darkphantom9805]

Saitama never fought Platinum Sperm...

Doesn’t have to he fought people much faster and treated them like a joke

 

[Damage3245]

Doesn’t have to he fought people much faster and treated them like a joke

Okay? That doesn't mean Boros was faster than those characters.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Okay? That doesn't mean Boros was faster than those characters.

It does? Because only cosmic garou replicated boros feat mean sperm and other forms of garou are below him in speed

Literally slaps away 4 arm garou with 1 hand casually but when garou goes cosmic

Almost identical reaction meaning he’s at minimum faster then most forms of garou and characters below garou

 

[Recon1511]

Garou was dodging, reacting and deflecting some of Saitama's blows (which actually annoyed Saitama) in prior forms, Saitama of course simply just put a bit more effort and outclassed him. Which is the same thing that happened to Boros mind you, literally a few pages after Meteoric Burst he gets completely blitzed by Consecutive Normal Punches.

 

[Worthless]

Boros, one of the few individuals who managed to surprise Saitama with his speed, survive multiple normal punches from him, and was called strong by Saitama himself multiple times and has a record of conquering multiple planets, is portrayed to be comparable to Pre-Cosmic Garou, can release a vast amount of energy enough to covered the whole planet while already being exhausted and even has a lookalike from Blastvenger. Yet, some people still have the guts to call him slower and weaker than characters with no names and constantly trying to downplay him lol.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Garou was dodging, reacting and deflecting some of Saitama's blows (which actually annoyed Saitama) in prior forms, Saitama of course simply just put a bit more effort and outclassed him. Which is the same thing that happened to Boros mind you, literally a few pages after Meteoric Burst he gets completely blitzed by Consecutive Normal Punches.

Yeah saitama who wasn’t putting effort in he adjusts his speed depending on the situation

Nobody said he’s faster then saitama lol so that part is irrelevant

 

[darkphantom9805]

Boros, one of the few individuals who managed to surprise Saitama with his speed, survive multiple normal punches from him, and was called strong by Saitama himself multiple times and has a record of conquering multiple planets, is portrayed to be comparable to Pre-Cosmic Garou, and even has a lookalike from Blastvenger. Yet, some people still have the guts to call him slower and weaker than characters with no names and constantly trying to downplay him lol.

Yeah when it comes to boros they literally ignore on panel feats and scaling for him just to lowball

like this site accepts boros minion being able to attack at near light speed murata states saitama sees that speed a bad joke boros scale above in base 2 transformations later in meteoric burst surprises saitama from sheer speed

Vs battle: super sonic speed boros

 

[Recon1511]

Anyway, not only Boros attack speed being thousands of times higher than his movement speed is idiotic but its also stated that the latent energy that engulfs his body propels him, meaning that if he can kick someone at Relativistic speeds with that power then he sure as hell can move at those speeds as well.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Anyway, not only Boros attack speed being thousands of times higher than his movement speed is idiotic but its also stated that the latent energy that engulfs his body propels him, meaning that if he can kick someone at Relativistic speeds with that power then he sure as hell can move at those speeds as well.

I want to scan what you say. Why is it that someone can kick things at relativistic speeds and that allows him to move at relativistic speeds as well ?
And yes, I know this is crazy that they would have a movement speed thousands of times less than their attack speed. But I don't see anything to say that he can scale to the speed of his attacks.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Boros, one of the few individuals who managed to surprise Saitama with his speed, survive multiple normal punches from him, and was called strong by Saitama himself multiple times and has a record of conquering multiple planets, is portrayed to be comparable to Pre-Cosmic Garou, can release a vast amount of energy enough to covered the whole planet while already being exhausted and even has a lookalike from Blastvenger. Yet, some people still have the guts to call him slower and weaker than characters with no names and constantly trying to downplay him lol.

Are you saying that Saitama praising him for being strong will make him faster than characters who don't praise him for being strong? And by the way, saying that Saitama was surprised by his speed is not an argument at all. Since I'm still "possibly FTL" for him for that reason.

possibly FTL (Saitama was seemingly surprised by the speed of Boros' Meteoric Burst, while he considered Geryuganshoop's near light speed pitches to be nothing but a bad joke)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

IIRC Meteoric Burst Boros is stated to his energy as a propulsive force to boost his speed (the same energy he used to launch Saitama at Relativistic+ speeds), so I disagree with MB Boros not scaling to his moon kick.

Granted, I also disagree with him scaling to Garou and Platinum Sperm for obvious reasons.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Granted, I also disagree with him scaling to Garou and Platinum Sperm for obvious reasons.

What reasons you never stated any reasons

This is basically your reasoning

I hate boros I don’t want him to be that fast so I ignore one of the most blatant speed feats in the series

 

[Damage3245]

@darkphantom9805 It's pretty silly to assume that someone who disagrees with a bit of scaling does so because they hate a fictional character.

 

[darkphantom9805]

@darkphantom9805 It's pretty silly to assume that someone who disagrees with a bit of scaling does so because they hate a fictional character.

I assume everyone who ignores on panel feats and won’t state why the disagree with it that they hate the character

 

[Golden_Void]

1. The premise of facial reaction scaling feels like grasping at straws unless explicitly detailed why, tbh
2. We should note that the plethora of other attacks besides the launch kick didn't even take Saitama off the ship, and in some instances he didn't budge at all. It would seem more consistent as a lifting feat considering that was the only attack aimed against gravity. But that's just me.

 

[darkphantom9805]

1. The premise of facial reaction scaling feels like grasping at straws unless explicitly detailed why, tbh

Which we have the feat was only replicated by cosmic garou meaning your literally helping our case dawg like this is a side by side of when cosmic garou did it vs when boros did it

Almost completely identical coincidence hmmmmm

 

[Bernkastelll]

Disagree cuz this is nonsense

 

[Golden_Void]

Which we have the feat was only replicated by cosmic garou meaning your literally helping our case dawg like this is a side by side of when cosmic garou did it vs when boros did it

Almost completely identical coincidence hmmmmm

Saitama reacted like that to Garou's Gamma Ray Burst. We treat that as the real thing, and gamma ray burst explosions are near light speed IRL. We also have that directly on Garou's profile. Geryuganshoop has near-light speed throws so this shouldn't be that impressive, especially if we consider sealed Boros to be above him. Definitely not, considering a far weaker version of Garou had a 4x FTL feat and was constantly getting faster. This is just further proof that reaction scaling (in this particular case) is garbage.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

IIRC Meteoric Burst Boros is stated to his energy as a propulsive force to boost his speed (the same energy he used to launch Saitama at Relativistic+ speeds), so I disagree with MB Boros not scaling to his moon kick.

Granted, I also disagree with him scaling to Garou and Platinum Sperm for obvious reasons.

Yes, the energy that enveloped Saitama and sent him to the moon was the energy released by Boros, but it doesn't say that using this energy would instantly give him Relativistic+ speed. We only get scans. It's just that the energy that envelopes him can release the friction that occurs when objects move at Relativistic+ speeds.

 

[Passersby]

• - Melzargard's speed is calculated based on attack speed from attacks created by wind waves, not Melzargard's own speed.

..yeaaah, problem i have with these kinda feats is that generating air pressure is physically only a mechanism of speed


overpressure or those "wind waves" are fundamentally a result of speed, this is because the mechanism is that the ugly mass of flesh is compressing the air in front of the his hammer like hand in such a way that it extends the attack due to pressure by generating a shockwave, a process that could never be remotely possible with pure strength without the relevant speed involved to generate said compression since without the speed the air would simply disperse faster than he can compress it and thus won't create any wind waves, it doesn't matter if a character is strong enough to shatter a continent with a punch, if his body does not exceed a certain speed, he wpn't generate any sort of overpressure and therefore no pulberizing air blasts


now i'm no specialist, i know my stuff from the google search institution, but the fact of the matter is generating wind pressure at all is due to speed, mostly unquantifiable speed beyond "lolz me is fast", but you still speed to a certain extent, so his movements should, logically speaking, definitetely exceed the speed of sound by a large degree, and i mean really large degree to get the sort of result we see happening in the manga panel

...but yeah, problem is,once you reach the threshold of "create shockwaves/wind slices", fictional media tends to treat increased strength as increasing the damage caused by said shockwaves/wind slices as, and i don't really know what to do with these kinda of feats nor if i should count them as evidence for supersonic movement unless the author explicitly draws a connection btw increased range and increased speed, but you guys do with this information as you will, since i don't remember early OPM characters to be that fast anyways

Relativistic+ (0.90c)​

Reasons for scaling

• - Kicked Saitama to the moon in nearly an instant. His striking speed should be comparable to his kick. Pushes his speed beyond the previous limits of his bod

Problem

• - This is Throwing Feats if the character can throw something at near the speed of light. That doesn't mean the characters will move at near the speed of light either.

and this seems a bit stupid if i'm being honest but rules are rules ig?

there was a moon jump iirc, why not calc that and downscale borus from it since he suprised saitama with his speed

 

[Worthless]

Saitama reacted like that to Garou's Gamma Ray Burst.

Did we read the same manga?

 

[Worthless]

The premise of facial reaction scaling feels like grasping at straws unless explicitly detailed why, tbh

What else could it mean to you, Golden boy
Just randomly feeling shock that day for no particular reasons? Be real. No one, not FF or PS, is doing that to Saitama. I would even argue that he is as fast, if not overall comparable to Pre-Serious Punch Garou, but y'all not ready to hear it yet.

 

[Danny33wise]

Agree with the op on this

 

[Golden_Void]

Did we read the same manga?

What else could it mean to you, Golden boy
Just randomly feeling shock that day for no particular reasons? Be real. No one, not FF or PS, is doing that to Saitama. I would even argue that he is as fast, if not overall comparable to Pre-Serious Punch Garou, but y'all not ready to hear it yet.

I can already tell your poor feelings are hurt the way you intentionally called me a completely different name. But nah you're right, but though that was from the nuclear punch, he still had the same reaction to the GRB. But to say that was purely a reaction from speed when his fist was also a glowing ball of radiation requires evidence on your part that speed was specifically what Saitama was reacting to.

It doesn't change the fact that Saitama had a neutral reaction when Garou was launching consecutive normal punches in Saitama mode, which borrows power from copying Saitama, which is far beyond anything else Garou previously used. I can bring up scans where Saitama had the same reaction against Speed of Sound Sonic's fast attacks, and he was only faster than dehydrated Deep Sea King - both of which are complete fodder to him, as was Boros who admitted that himself. Or when Saitama had the same reaction to Flashy Flash surprise attacking him then no-diffing his speed on the next page.

Boros didn't even get a timer in his fight

 

[Recon1511]

I can already tell your poor feelings are hurt the way you intentionally called me a completely different name. But nah you're right, but though that was from the nuclear punch, he still had the same reaction to the GRB. But to say that was purely a reaction from speed when his fist was also a glowing ball of radiation requires evidence on your part that speed was specifically what Saitama was reacting to.

It doesn't change the fact that Saitama had a neutral reaction when Garou was launching consecutive normal punches in Saitama mode, which borrows power from copying Saitama, which is far beyond anything else Garou previously used. I can bring up scans where Saitama had the same reaction against Speed of Sound Sonic's fast attacks, and he was only faster than dehydrated Deep Sea King - both of which are complete fodder to him, as was Boros who admitted that himself. Or when Saitama had the same reaction to Flashy Flash surprise attacking him then no-diffing his speed on the next page.

Boros didn't even get a timer in his fight

Clearly, BoS Sonic is FTL.

 

[Worthless]

I can already tell your poor feelings are hurt the way you intentionally called me a completely different name.

You simply don't know me

he still had the same reaction to the GRB.

Show me

But to say that was purely a reaction from speed when his fist was also a glowing ball of radiation requires evidence on your part that speed was specifically what Saitama was reacting to.

It takes less assumptions and makes more sense than saying silly things like "Saitama was surprised because his hand was glowing," which doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't change the fact that Saitama had a neutral reaction when Garou was launching consecutive normal punches in Saitama mode, which borrows power from copying Saitama, which is far beyond anything else Garou previously used. I can bring up scans where Saitama had the same reaction against Speed of Sound Sonic's fast attacks,.

and he was only faster than dehydrated Deep Sea King - both of which are complete fodder to him, as was Boros who admitted that himself. Or when Saitama had the same reaction to Flashy Flash surprise attacking him then no-diffing his speed on the next page.

I love how you're talking about grasping at straws while you yourself are doing it.
You lost your credibility regarding OPM the moment you thought it's GRB. None of the feats you've shown are anywhere close to it. How many times has Murata said that Boros and Garou are comparable, as said by ONE, but he doesn't know how he is going to show it? What do you think that scan means? Just a random reaction from Saitama?

No one can do what both of them did to Saitama. Not PS, not FF, and in the strength department as well, not Orochi, not Psykorochi, and not even the green-haired girl who thought "Pre-balding" Saitama was a ghost because apparently her TK doesn't work on him, lmao. None of them have received praise or indirect implications that he found them strong or very fast, but whatever, I'll bring it up again once we get more information on this Boris from Blastvenger and Boros come back. Until then, continue living in dreams.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Saitama reacted like that to Garou's Gamma Ray Burst. We treat that as the real thing, and gamma ray burst explosions are near light speed IRL. We also have that directly on Garou's profile. Geryuganshoop has near-light speed throws so this shouldn't be that impressive, especially if we consider sealed Boros to be above him. Definitely not, considering a far weaker version of Garou had a 4x FTL feat and was constantly getting faster. This is just further proof that reaction scaling (in this particular case) is garbage.

First off no he didn’t I think you need to re read the manga that’s because he’s surprised at what he’s doing which is why he questions what he is doing he didn’t actually react that way to the attack in fact he made that reaction before garou even launched the GRB

Saitama explicitly uses that reaction when he’s genuinely confused/surprised I can see the conversation with the other guy and can tell that that you clearly don’t understand that simple fact

 

[darkphantom9805]

Show me

He didn’t have the same reaction to the GRB he’s just spouting nonsense he’s talking about this

Saitama hasn’t even hit the ground let alone garou actually release the GRB yet considering he can’t even get this argument right I doubt anything else he argues is valid

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Saitama explicitly uses that reaction when he’s genuinely confused/surprised if you actually use common sense which you don’t have much of since I can see the conversation with the other guy you can tell that

Don’t insult other users.

 

[Worthless]

Clearly, BoS Sonic is FTL.

I'm so fcking disappointed. I'm not surprised because I rarely see that Golden in OPM discussions unlike you. It's not even worth explaining. What else could it mean to you besides indicating that he notices the kunai before it hits him? That's nowhere close to the reactions he had towards Boros and Garou, both of whom he saw coming from a long distance. If you use common sense, it's clearly different from the "I noticed the attack before it hits me" scenes that he just showed, just from context alone. But forget it. I've had the same conversation over and over, and it's just getting tiring at this point.

 

[Golden_Void]

Trying to use reaction scaling to people he goes on to stomp panels later is hilarious. And their only serious argument from the looks of it. But suddenly when Saitama has a surprised expression and exclamation mark above his head in other feats that don't support their agenda "ITS DIFFERENT"

Anywho.

 

[Worthless]

Context and common sense matters too.

But sure

 

[darkphantom9805]

I feel like the only arguments against this are from people who can’t even properly read the manga like the sonic scan debunks itself just by reading