Armament Haki Changes

[RazumaHiroki]

I never said that busoshoku nullifies logia. And what does Marco's healing speed have to do with this topic? are you really paying attention to something?

By the way, I totally agree with the yasaki no magatana argument. Who even refuted the dog shit your monkey friend is talking about (still liked your comment)

I never said you did, i just denied the existence of devil fruit negation simply because Devil fruits aren't just Logia, Paramecia's and Zoan's powers stems from their own body, in other words their biological body is being altered, thus they are still humans, but at the same time are not.

 

[Child]

Where's the indication that Akainu's attack worked on him? did Marco say (ouch) or something like that? you know his injuries was prior to him intercepting Akainu's attack, literally proving my point.

The garp wound was made on the right side of the face. In the scan I sent there is a magma wound on the left side of the face.

 

[Damage3245]

In the Haki page, Armament haki has Regeneration Negation. Iirc, the reasoning was due to Marco not healing from getting hit by Garp.

This could very easily be explained as simple Devil Fruit Ability negation.

Haki having Regeneration Negation can be so easily debunked by literally anybody healing from getting hit by Haki imbued attacks, such as Luffy healing his tooth after fighting Sanji, who would need to use haki to harm Luffy.

I don't understand the mental gymnastic you would have to use to even come to that conclusion (Marco not healing due to Haki regen negation), when Haki was literally introduced in the series to negate Devil Fruit Abilites,

I agree with removing or rewording that part of the Haki page.

It is misleading to say that someone attacking with Haki could negate all forms of regeneration.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

The garp wound was made on the right side of the face. In the scan I sent there is a magma wound on the left side of the face.

Again, there's nothing that indicates that. You would need to prove he actually hurt him, by having marco say "it hurts" or something that implies it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The garp wound was made on the right side of the face. In the scan I sent there is a magma wound on the left side of the face.

That's Marco's fire... If your aren't talking about that, but the scratch red looking thing, it's gone after some panels

 

[LordGinSama]

Nobody is saying Haki negates all forms of regeneration, blatant strawman fallacy.

 

[Child]

So you are saying he's blue flames aren't intangible...

Also
Elemental Intangibility (Marco literally has it on his profile)

I guess the monkey knows more than you.

the profile is wrong. Or is it error free?

 

[LordGinSama]

the profile is wrong. Or is it error free?

Make a CRT then, otherwise what you think is irrelevant.

 

[Damage3245]

Nobody is saying Haki negates all forms of regeneration, blatant strawman fallacy.

I never said any person on this thread was arguing in favor of that. It's not a Strawman Fallacy.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

I agree with removing or rewording that part of the Haki page.

It is misleading to say that someone attacking with Haki could negate all forms of regeneration.

That was to be expected.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I never said any person on this thread was arguing in favor of that. It's not a Strawman Fallacy.

shouldn't it get elemental regen neg and biological regen neg?

 

[RazumaHiroki]

shouldn't it get elemental regen neg and biological regen neg?

Monkey, this wiki don't split up regen neg.

 

[Damage3245]

shouldn't it get elemental regen neg and biological regen neg?

No. Haki hasn't been shown to negate biologcal regeneration.

As evidenced by Luffy healing up in the Whole Cake Island arc after being hit by Sanji's Haki-imbued attacks.

 

[Child]

How am I her/his friend?

Literally mostly everything I have said is what's on the profile... Also your getting mad for no reason, could be because you realized you were wrong.

It just shows that you don't have an opinion of your own. And so, it follows the stupid argument of others.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

No. Haki hasn't been shown to negate biologcal regeneration.

As evidenced by Luffy healing up in the Whole Cake Island arc after being hit by Sanji's Haki-imbued attacks.

Marco literally speeds up biological regen....

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It just shows that you don't have an opinion of your own. And so, it follows the stupid argument of others.

I literally only said my own opinions what are you even talking about? It's just that my opinion is already on his profile.

 

[Child]

I wouldn't be talking smack considering you got clowned on last time there.

ass: Poor guy who was humiliated in the crt itself, it took THREE DAYS to formulate an answer and then he fled the debate.

 

[LordGinSama]

I never said any person on this thread was arguing in favor of that. It's not a Strawman Fallacy.

It's inherently a strawman fallacy, it doesn't matter if it's not targeted at one particular person, what matters is what your intentionally attempting to misconstrue the argument at hand here by making a claim the profile nor the user's insinuate.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

As evidenced by Luffy healing up in the Whole Cake Island arc after being hit by Sanji's Haki-imbued attacks.

Luffy healed by eating food or by drinking to naturally heal.... Marco with no food no nothing speeds it up

 

[LordGinSama]

ass: Poor guy who was humiliated in the crt

Ironic considering nobody agreed with you lmao.

itself, it took THREE DAYS to formulate an answer and then he fled the debate.

Damn didn't know having a life is a bad thing. Unlike you I don't spend all day trapped inside on the wiki, maybe go outside for once kiddo.

 

[Child]

That's Marco's fire... If your aren't talking about that, but the scratch red looking thing, it's gone after some panels

Regenerating something. He took damage, reddish wound=burn.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

reddish wound=burn.

(Luffy)

 

[Damage3245]

It's inherently a strawman fallacy, it doesn't matter if it's not targeted at one particular person, what matters is what your intentionally attempting to misconstrue the argument at hand here by making a claim the profile nor the user's insinuate.

Okay, let me reword myself.

I don't think that Regeneration Negation, as it is worded currently on the Haki page, is accurate and should be removed or reworded.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It would be black/darkish wound if it got burned probably

 

[LordGinSama]

That's a lot better, I disagree however I'll let KT handle this himself later.

 

[Child]

(Luffy)

Don't try to escape the context. Marco was burned by the Akainu's magma, and so he summoned flames to his face.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

I guess, i'll have to warp up everything together.

Counter-arguments for the existence of Devil fruit negation:

• If Devil fruit negation is a thing then no Zoan user should be capable of transforming into Furries. (Because Devil fruit negation would imply that Zoan users aka Transforming into animals can be negated by simply punching them with haki-imbued fists)
• Devil fruit Negation would also imply, our rubber boy would no longer be able to stretch. Even Luffy himself was wondering why she was able to hurt him despite his rubber body, the latter he confirms he's still able to stretch and was even more confused than before.
• Busoshouku Haki doesn't prevent/nullify the Devil fruit user from using his powers
• Paramecia's and Zoan's powers stems from their own body, in other words their biological body is being altered, thus they are still humans, but at the same time are not.
• "Luffy made contact with Prometheus as if he was a solid (like a logia), it just didn’t hurt him because he didn’t have a true body and he was pure fire" - Tempest (Doesn't contradict the Manga, because this is the version where they added noises, so you can hear Luffy is touching Prometheus).

Marco's Regen

• These phoenix flames are stronger than normal fire and possess tremendous healing properties; while shrouded in the flames, Marco can rapidly self-regenerate from nigh any physical damage he receives, like a phoenix being reborn. It is noted, or at least implied, that no matter what injury he is dealt, he can recover by flam
• Marco is not a Logia, he's just a Rare Zoan user, meaning his healing process must be that fast that even Kizaru's Yasakani no Magatama couldn't bypass it.
• Marco specifically states "healing speed", in other words his blue flames (which he controls at will) enhancing the natural healing process of other people, but a lesser effect, but to him, it's nigh-instantly.
• His Wound from Garp -- The Hero.

(Are people serioulsy using Sanji to justify that Busoshoku haki doesn't negate Regen when he himself said he was holding back against Luffy? and Luffy's haki is like how many times stronger?)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Don't try to escape the context. Marco was burned by the Akainu's magma, and so he summoned flames to his face.

So he heal in this panel as well? Even tho no one hit him?

 

[LordGinSama]

Let King handle this, he already said he'd give input later so just wait.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Let King handle this, he already said he'd give input later so just wait.

Yeah, that was my last comment anyways. I'll let tempest handle this.

 

[Damage3245]

How did Doflamingo recover from all of his injuries delivered by Haki-imbued attacks, if Haki negated biological healing?

 

[Child]

His Wound from Garp -- The Hero.

Just like he was hurt by king and queen.

And so? When it comes to clipping Marco's wings, did King FORGOT that busoshoku is specifically effective against regeneration? Obviously not. That concept just doesn't exist.

 

[PrinceofPein]

How did Doflamingo recover from all of his injuries delivered by Haki-imbued attacks, if Haki negated biological healing?

I don't think anyone here claimed haki negates biological healing, but well of they did then hell nah

 

[Damage3245]

I don't think anyone here claimed haki negates biological healing, but well of they did then hell nah

Without any explanation or elaboration on the Haki page, that interpretation just from reading the Haki page on face-value is valid.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

How did Doflamingo recover from all of his injuries delivered by Haki-imbued attacks, if Haki negated biological healing?

By healing naturally by not altering his biological healing... Which Marco does

 

[RazumaHiroki]

How did Doflamingo recover from all of his injuries delivered by Haki-imbued attacks, if Haki negated biological healing?

Damage, allow me to ask you a question. When was Doffy thrown into Impel down? It was never a day or 2 days. Perhaps, you know the answer to my question?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

For example someone like boros who doesn't automatically regen can alter and speed up his regen

 

[Damage3245]

Damage, allow me to ask you a question. When was Doffy thrown into Impel down? It was never a day or 2 days. Perhaps, you know the answer to my question?

I don't think we know the exact timeframe. A few days after the end of Dressrosa.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

For example, it's like saying Naruto doesn't have Regen Negation just because an Edo zombie regenerated after 2-3 hours ( We are not treating Regen differently).

It has been more than 3-4 days since the incident of Dressrosa and the marine were still on their way to impel down, naturally Doffy's injuries were healed. So, idk was this point was trying to prove here.

 

[Damage3245]

By healing naturally by not altering his biological healing... Which Marco does

For example someone like boros who doesn't automatically regen can alter and speed up his regen

How does the Haki interfere with Boros' regeneration?

Does Haki have some way of telling apart natural healing and sped-up healing?