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Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

Could Arifureta get any upgrade from blackhole feats?
(Creating, sustaining, moving... or just size)

Possible EE:
This is Yue
"Black Sky Destitution” was different from the similar gravity magic “Severance Calamity”. It wasn’t a magic to reduce the target into dust using gravitational pressure. It was an annihilation magic. ch417
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She already erased demons souls.

Resistance to cold for demons(Vandre, Fried,Catelya): their side of the continent is so cold Hajime needed to create an artifact for the harem and Kouki's party.
Don't forget they resist cold.

This is how it was created
First, FordiaSpirit of Protection was taken down at the fortress of the southern continent. At his last moment, the Centauros who was able to freely control time and space made his authority went berserk and created the stagnation phenomenon of molecular movement, which resulted in the land of extreme cold within a limited area.

As could be easily guessed, it was the snowy region that was always freezing for thousands of years――[Schnee Snowfield].
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Noneless21 said:
I have question

how high into Low 5-B Hajime is?

I know the 5-C calc as the base, but there's too many multipliers I lost count
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Here
After-Stories Hajime, with CheatMate is 67.42 Exatons (5-C), with Limit Break on top his AP would be 202.26 Exatons (5-C) while with Overload is 337.1 Exatons (5-C+) and Last Seele 1.68 Zettatons (Low 5-B), his big weapons like Schlagen and Pile Bunker would be 202.26 Exatons (5-C) in base while with the amps from CheatMate, Limit Break, Overload and Last Seele they would be 404.52 Exatons (5-C+), 1.23 Zettatons (Low 5-B), 2.02 Zettatons (Low 5-B) and 10.1 Zettatons (Low 6-B)
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The last one 10.1 zettatons is not Low 6-B. (just an error)

Everything:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Expectro2000xxx/Arifureta_Stats_and_Hax_Scaling#LS
 
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Just read chapter 477.

The author added X-MEN to the verse.
Hajime built a Xavier school for mutans, and created Cerebro(sphere connected to the king tree in order to locate anyone on the planet).

The awakened
The answer to that was,


「Ah, hey! Don’t take your hand out of the water! Wash your hands properly with the tap water! Or rather you’ve been told not to thoughtlessly use your ability──don’t snitch food from the side with telekinetic while I’m saying that!」


It could be guessed from Lizzie’s scolding.


Yes, all of them were “awakened”.


It wasn’t like they met misfortune because of that and couldn’t be with their parents anymore. Just, their parents were confused with their children awakening to special power and went to the church for consultation because they didn’t know what to do. And this was the result.


Presently, Vatican was taking initiative to give this kind of counseling all over the world or perhaps dealing with it. Claudia was super busy and had a hard time going home was partly because of this too.


「Really, what talented children. As a Hauria who can’t use magic, I’m feeling a little bit jealous.」


「Certainly. They’re top talent with high percentages even among the awakened after all.」


Also, there was rank among the “awakened”.


If special cases like onmyouji where techniques were passed down among family were excluded……


The majority had their five senses sharpened, became able to use some kind of sixth sense, perhaps they had easier time recovering from wound or fatigue than normal people, and their physical ability improved to some degree.


Those of slightly higher rank would be able to increase their senses, healing power, and physical ability intentionally.


Going slightly higher again, they would be able to cause phenomenon in the category of superpower, but majority had nothing more than insignificant ability even in this. Ch 477
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Does this prove anything?
“Shake the foundations of this world, which neither a dragon’s roar, nor a
giant’s hammer, nor the marching of a thousand armies can hope to touch.
Only the sighs of the gods may make the earth to scream out thus! Lament and despair your inevitable destruction— Void Fissure!” The space around Yue began to warp. It was followed by a low rumbling, which sounded like the screams of the planet itself
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This is just a chant but does it help prove that a god's true form (Ehit's soul) can affect space with its presence?
We already know Tio in her dragon god form shake space with her scream and the only giant with a hammer was one of the guardian spirit of Tortus who can manipulate space.
 
How did we miss this?

Arifureta LN VOL1 SS3
A Case of What If
There exist an infinite amount of possibilities and timelines in this world. If we were to imagine some of those what if scenarios in Arifureta, they might go something like,

Case 1: What if, when Kouki was fighting Emperor Gahard, he did things a little differently?

"Prepare yourself, Hero. If you hold back again...”
Goosebumps coated Kouki’s arms. The bodyguard’s tone of voice clearly conveyed what awaited him if he held back.
“AAALaLaLaLaie!”
“What the hell!?”
Were Hoelscher’s emperor a bit more like a certain other ruler, then surely all the demons would surrender and begin calling him “bro.”

Case 2: What if, when Kouki was fighting Emperor Gahard, he did things a little differently? v2

“What on earth are you doing, Gahard?”
King Eliheid yelled out as he leaped in between the two fighters and blocked Gahard’s blow. Gahard was thrown off balance by the fact that Eliheid had discovered his identity, but he nevertheless smiled fearlessly and prepared to charge again. Sighing, Eliheid realized Gahard had no intention of backing down.
“All thing of this of this world, turn to ashes, Ryujin Jakka"
"Wait--stop--no"
If king Eliheid was actually the captain of the 13 Court Guard Companies, then all the demons would most likely be crying in fear.

Case 3: What if the second fight with the Behemoth went a little differently?

The Behemoth, enraged that a pair of mere humans had stopped its assault, stamped impatiently on the ground. Seeing this, the other students took advantage of its momentary distraction.
“Peerless swordsmanship that rends even the heavens—Hiten Mitsurugi style, Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki!”
“What?”
If Shizuku Yaegashi was a master of the Hiten Mitsurugi style, she would probably be the hero, not Kouki.

Case 4: What if Kouki’s sacred sword was a little different?

“Let’s go! Sacred sword, lend me your power!”
“Moron, this is why I can’t handle country hicks. I told you not to bother me during my afternoon tea.”
“......”
If Kouki’s sword was as annoying as a certain other world’s Excalibur, then Kouki probably wouldn’t be so nice.

Case 5: What if things were a little different when Hajime first found the Divinity Stone?

“This... is...”
The source of the liquid was a basketball-sized crystal that emitted a pale red light... A few days later after conquering his lonelinesse starvation, and pain, Hajime took down his first enemy, the Twin-tailed Wolf.
“What a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice sound that was. Truly, wonderful! Is it not wonderful, o philosopher’s stone?”Had the stone Hajime discovered really been the philosopher’s stone, he might have ended up like Kimblee.

Case 6: What if the scorpion fight had gone a little differently?

“...Thanks for the meal.
”Suddenly, Yue got to her feet and brandished a hand at the scorpion thing. As she did so, a tremendous amount of mana, golden in color, poured out of her tiny body, chasing away the darkness. Then, clad in a wondrous golden light, with her golden hair fluttering around her, she muttered a single phrase.“Forbidden Barrage ‘Catadioptric.’”
If Yue was actually the little sister to the master of the scarlet devil mansion, then she’d surely be this story’s last boss.

There a countless amount of possible timelines for every world...so why not try and think of a few yourself?
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infinite possibilities?
 
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pfate17 said:
I don't think the author is going to start adding a multiverse now, but if he can 😭 PLEASE do it right
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this is the first volume.

It actualy mean that all the spinoffs are just another possible reality(What if?, Disney, magic school...)
 
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Noneless21 said:
this is a funny what if, funny, but only a what ifs
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You sure?
There exist an infinite amount of possibilities and timelines in this world. If we were to imagine some of those what if scenarios in Arifureta, they might go something like,
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"A Case Of What If" is just the chapter name.
those cases are just examples.
There a countless amount of possible timelines for every world...so why not try and think of a few yourself?
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the author even tell us there is infinite possibility for every world.
world=universe or World Tree's branch.
 
we also get short story in the LN about "WHAT IF" like the iron boy the rabbit chapter or the cast as character in another fictional work (Aladin, Alice in wonderland...) .
the author is just saying that they exist.
 
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Expectro2000xxx said:
Just to make clear something, this don't apply to anything, hence why wasn't brought before, when Hajime have have complete control over the akashic records then one can bring it to argue the placement in the tier 2, but before that is just meangless.
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Got it.

Do you think the trial or coffin of "ideal world" let them experience another possibility?

or Shia future sight:
Branching Paths: Future Sight's derivative skill, allowing the user to see possible futures based from the many choices on the current situation. The user is able to see the result of their choices and make the best decision based on that.

Hypothesis Sight: The derivation of her native magic Future Sight, using Hypothesis Sight, Shea is able to know the result of a question she asks such as what would happen if she attack someone, and also know exactly where that person will strike.
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Her ability is actual future display and not analitical prediction, so there is other possibilities .

If someone proved this, will a single universe get Tier 2-A?
2-A: Multiverse level+

Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting,[1] creating and/or destroying a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums.
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EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Got it.

Do you think the trial or coffin of "ideal world" let them experience another possibility?

or Shia future sight:

Her ability is actual future display and not analitical prediction, so there is other possibilities .

If someone proved this, will a single universe get Tier 2-A?
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No, it's directly called an illusion, you would need a massive leap of logic to connect that with infinite alternative timelines. The thing is simple and straight enough so don't try reading into it.

No one scale to the cosmology currently, so there is no point in thinking about such things when they don't matter at all. When at the end people scale to the cosmology through the akashic records then fine, at that point it will be a fair debate to have, not before.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
I'm just looking for something that could upgrade the verse.

anyway did you find anything about fate manipulation?
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Yes, and I'm telling you you should calm down, the verse is already up to date in most thing, they have as much abilities as one can have, so you don't need to try so hard and use weird assumptions/leaps in logic to give them even more stuff, specially no with things related to tier 2 stuff that no one scales currently.

Have only barely touched arifureta since the last time I talked her, so no, at one point will likely become more active again, but not really soon.
 
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Yes, and I'm telling you you should calm down, the verse is already up to date in most thing, they have as much abilities as one can have, so you don't need to try so hard and use weird assumptions/leaps in logic to give them even more stuff, specially no with things related to tier 2 stuff that no one scales currently.

Have only barely touched arifureta since the last time I talked her, so no, at one point will likely become more active again, but not really soon.
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Yeah, I understand.
(It's just that everyone got a smurf but me)

You got alot to catch up with, about 20 chapters in the last arc and it's still going.
 
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pfate17 said:
Wouldn't it be better to take advantage of this time when the author doesn't make any improvements to the characters to update Arifureta's profile on the Wiki? Since until now Aiko and Shizuku are out of Hajime's team
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they are a part of his harem not his team.
I think it will affect all discussion related to what can Hajime's team do.
 
pfate17 said:
I'm not complaining, it's just that Aiko and Shizuku are in the wrong place and some character profiles are missing. I would love to fix it, but I'm afraid of messing everything up and I don't know how.
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DRAGON, Unknown, Eto Shin, Dark king, Rasul, Alfard and a profile for Yuuka.
 
Does this prove anything?
the author's note:
—The Handsome Rabbit and The Iron Boy

This one’s just one of those alternate timeline stories. As I’m sure you’ve all guessed, it’s based on Ironman. Honestly, if you think about the title of Arifureta, this would probably be a more fitting way for Hajime to get stronger than eating a bunch of monsters. (Whoops.) The rabbit’s kind of in a similar place too. I think you’ll see what I mean once the next mainline volume comes out.
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the author called it an alternate timeline story instead of "what if" like the previous examples.
no one scale to this, just a possible thing for the cosmology until you find more proofs.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Does this prove anything?
the author's note:

the author called it an alternate timeline story instead of "what if" like the previous examples.
no one scale to this, just a possible thing for the cosmology until you find more proofs.
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I imagined that Hajime evolved to have powers with a "style" similar to Silver wolf from Honkai Impact or always had something ready like Washu Hakubi
Silver Wolf
Washu Hakubi

So making armor like Iron Man is a bit boring (depending on how it's done)
 
something interesting:
There──

「As expected from high ranked demon dwelling inside a metal body. Truly tough. Then──allow me to test it!! My new technique that is still incomplete!!」

Director Dime dropped his waist heavily like a sumo doing their ceremonial leg stomping. He was thrusting his right hand to the side.

Somehow lights with grey and pure white colors were whirling around him!!

「Magic power in the right hand」

The grey colored light converged in his right hand.

「Willpower in the left hand」

When he also thrust his left hand to the side, pure white light gathered into there.

Lights with two different colors of grey and white were shining radiantly on the left and right hands of Director Dime!

Blood veins pulsed on his forehead. Nosebleed burst out and his eyes turned bloodshot!! Scary!! A demon!!

「Combine!!」

The left and right fists were struck on each other. Instantly, the priest uniform was blown away for some reason. An armor of muscles that were too bulky and tight for an old man was bared in the open!

「BURUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!」

Director Dime’s whole body got enveloped in an aura of light black color. At the same time, the presence of power he was radiating shot up to a level that was equal to “Limit Break”.

There were too many things to tsukkomi at.

Why was his clothes blown away? Why, was his sweat evaporating and steam rose up from all over his body? That was clearly not an appearance that a clergyman should show in public. Why was he able to control willpower? Or rather if grey and white mixed with each other, shouldn’t they become even paler grey? Why did their color thickened instead? These kinds of tsukkomi.

But, rather than something like that.

Originally, energies from two worlds shouldn’t be compatible with each other. For those energies to be combined……

As expected, even the demon king and his right hand man had their jaws dropped seeing that.

「「No waayy……」」

They could only mutter like that in a daze.
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what do you think?
 
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