Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Can you justify this in anyway?

(Read the thread)

A) There is spirits for both the elements and gravity, space, time...And the element are shown to be concepts.

B) The elements are stated to be derivative from ancient magic, and have proven to be connected to them.

C) Elements have shown similare feats with ancient magic after mastering or strengthening them.
EX:
1_Uranus aurora(Light) interfering with time after he was strengthened
2_Unknown a demon that specialise in shadows(Darkness) manipulating gravity and space after he was empowered by worshipers.
3_Eri reaching the soul after mastering Dark magic
4_Mist has show the ability to interfer with space-time to open a hole in the world itself and connect the realms.
5_Water connect the world and Urdia(spirit of reincarnation)use it as a medium of her power(Maybe water is conneted to soul ?)
6_Light can be used to travel the realms in the form of mirrors
7_Light destroying demons could suggest that Light itself have holy properties

D) Some Atavist have element related abilities like a light that strengthen monsters, covering the body in Fire or Lightning, turning the body into water...

E) Not sure about this but Light, wind and water could be somekind of omnipresent concepts.

 

[Community_Gamer]

(Read the thread)

A) There is spirits for both the elements and gravity, space, time...And the element are shown to be concepts.

B) The elements are stated to be derivative from ancient magic, and have proven to be connected to them.

C) Elements have shown similare feats with ancient magic after mastering or strengthening them.
EX:
1_Uranus aurora(Light) interfering with time after he was strengthened
2_Unknown a demon that specialise in shadows(Darkness) manipulating gravity and space after he was empowered by worshipers.
3_Eri reaching the soul after mastering Dark magic
4_Mist has show the ability to interfer with space-time to open a hole in the world itself and connect the realms.
5_Water connect the world and Urdia(spirit of reincarnation)use it as a medium of her power(Maybe water is conneted to soul ?)
6_Light can be used to travel the realms in the form of mirrors

D) Some Atavist have element related abilities like a light that strengthen monsters, covering the body in Fire or Lightning, turning the body into water...

E) Not sure about this but Light, wind and water could be somekind of omnipresent concepts.

So you don't think that they aren't just either casting Ancient Magic or manipulating the laws of reality through those elements?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

So you don't think that they aren't just either casting Ancient Magic

Why would you think that someone who lack A.M. is using them ?
And we have multiple evidences of connection between the elements and A.M. Even some skills like Kousuke's Abysslord, stealth and clones could be connected to Dark and Soul magic.

or manipulating the laws of reality through those elements?

They're not laws, and IDK enough about reality manipulation.

Even Kouki manipulate reality

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!”

Though his mana should have been depleted, it flared up again as Kouki screamed, sending a spiral of pure-white energy rising toward the heavens. However—

“Kouki, stop! If you keep going, you’ll kill yourself!” Shizuku screamed.

“Wait, he’ll do what?! Shizuku, what’s going on?! I thought you cut off his mana?!”

“I did! I sliced clean through his mana repository! He’s not absorbing the nearby ether to produce more mana!”

“Then how’s he getting more?!”

“By converting something else! I don’t know if he’s using up his life force or his soul or what, but he’s transforming it all into mana! It’s probably something he can do because he can use Limit Break! Either way, this isn’t good!”

“Goddammit, Kouki, come back to your senses already!”

Indeed, Kouki was creating this mana by burning away his own life. Abilities that overturned the natural laws of the universe always came with a steep cost...and they were practically never worth the price. Vol 12 p139

Limit break is a form of Soul manipulation to raise stats.

While A.M. is the concepts and laws that govern the world, the elements are close to concepts.

Although there is an statment of Nature becoming chaotic without the spirits managing it. But this could be caused by different energies.

An extensive woodland was spreading below their sight.

Needle-leaved trees and broad-leaved trees, pseudo-palm trees and fruit trees. They all had varied colors, and there were even strange trees that had never been seen before, also with varied sizes where some could be mistaken as a great tree or only as tall as a normal person.

「It’s completely chaotic huh.」

『Kukuh, just like its creator mayhaps?』Ch 481

On their way here, Hajime and Tio were already witnessing many contradictive environments that would make anyone doubted their eyes, like wetland area and desert area that were next to each other, or lava spewing tall volcano that was smackdab in the middle of a freezing giant lake, etc, etc.

There wasn’t any disorderly sight like those a thousand and several hundred kilometers around the Treasure Tree, so it seemed that the weird spectacles were becoming more frequent the further away they were traveling. Ch 481

The energy that was released from the Treasure Tree was everything that was nurturing the “Miniature Garden”. Fundamentally the factors that were required for natural growth in the original world of nature weren’t required here.

Furthermore, that energy didn’t consist only of willpower that was flowing into here from earth. Anticipating the immigrants from various worlds, the element conversion system was releasing all of the other known energies too.

In other words, “Miniature Garden” was a world where unique energies of each other world were intermingling.

Because of that, well, it was understandable that the state of the world became like a hodgepodge of the nature of other worlds.

「I’m basically leaving the management of the nature environment to Enti and others wholesale but……are they still not starting with the distant areas? In any case, sorting this out looks like something worth doing.」

Hajime looked somewhat excited.

The creation of “Miniature Garden” was a difficult act that was equal to creating a whole world. In addition it was an isolated world that didn’t have rotation or revolution like a normal planet.

Even though Enti and others were divine spirits who were governing over nature, governing an artificial world with completely different environment was something that they hadn’t completely worked out all of the kinks from it.

The near areas surrounding the Treasure Tree being a natural environment that were pleasant for Hajime and others to stay at was definitely because of Enti and others adjusting them to be that way. Ch 481

Maybe Reality(A.M.) > Nature

What was that about energy influencing nature ?

there a feat of the spirits suppressing the DRAGON authority over nature.

The eruption was visibly settling down. On the ground below, the quake that was getting progressingly fiercer was getting noticeably weaker.

The hurricane changed into a breeze.

The surging heavy thunders were dispersing.

The blizzard vanished, the rain also stopped, the heat wave and below zero temperature was turning moderate.

The absurd noon and night left, civilization was regaining its light.

The waves that were raging at the coastal area were changing countenance into a lull.

The cataclysm was calming down like it was only an illusion.

The cause of that was, Ch 424

It was unimaginable that any of them had ever been in the shape of jiggling slime. They were suppressing the cataclysm with heavenly might that even made anyone who knew them wondered if they were perhaps even stronger than their original.

It was a majestic appearance that was truly worthy for divine spirits that governed over the nature of the world. Ch 424

And if this is not enough there is mist transporting People to other realms(Tio arc), the spirit whale city outside space-time and sending Kousuke to a dimension with different timeflow while his gate artifact wasn't functioning right.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

@Expectro2000xxx
Does Zero take place 1000 or 2000 years before the main story ? And when did Ehit and his group come to Tortus ?

Are concept magic spells and artifacts unaffected by hax related to A.M. ?

Here, does it mean that Hajime could replicate Ehit A.M. spells with his transcendent skill ?