Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Did Hajime gave his laser some special properties, also not sure but isn't the only way to reflect it is using space manipulation to bend it (why?) he could just used mirror or any reflective surfaces or even ice from Shnee labyrinth.

here I meant as an alternatives.

anyway, mirror bits bend space so Aiko should have space manipulation.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Does Hajime manipulate magnet?
that's how railgun works, and his feat of collecting metal particles in the dragon world using crows (is it magnetism manipulation?)

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Does Hajime manipulate magnet?
that's how railgun works, and his feat of collecting metal particles in the dragon world using crows (is it magnetism manipulation?)

No, he just created a railgun. The metal particles thing it's just his inorganic matter manipulation from Transmutation and Creation Magic.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

How did Ehit's will kept existing after he got EE, Does it lack info type 2?
their will help them create and resist Concept type 1, is it higher or something?

Do you that the reason concept magic need need or anything to hold it is because It's really the abstract will materialized in reality though spell, artifact or something like Dragon's scale and it will remain even after the person death because It's independent.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

How did Ehit's will kept existing after he got EE, Does it lack info type 2?
their will help them create and resist Concept type 1, is it higher or something?

Do you that the reason concept magic need need or anything to hold it is because It's really the abstract will materialized in reality though spell, artifact or something like Dragon's scale and it will remain even after the person death because It's independent.

? We know people can resist concept magic with willpower, he just did that, resist the bullet effects (or more exactly, his strong will to live resisted it, the rest got erased.

??? I don't know what you are saying, but from what I could understood you are asking why people need creation magic with concept magic? Because the creation magic part is just simply to imbue the spell to something and be able to easily use it again later, otherwise they would need to recreate each time the spell which is super complicated as we know how hard is through the Liberators to strengthen again a single desire until it reach a conceptual point.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

? We know people can resist concept magic with willpower, he just did that, resist the bullet effects (or more exactly, his strong will to live resisted it, the rest got erased.

??? I don't know what you are saying, but from what I could understood you are asking why people need creation magic with concept magic? Because the creation magic part is just simply to imbue the spell to something and be able to easily use it again later, otherwise they would need to recreate each time the spell which is super complicated as we know how hard is through the Liberators to strengthen again a single desire until it reach a conceptual point.

sorry, just trying to ask if their will could help them do or resist anything? (or is it NLF)
Is the will higher than or independent from the person concept ?
what make the difference between ancient magic and concept magic is the will, right? (they don't need to combine ancient magic to make it)

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

sorry, just trying to ask if their will could help them do or resist anything? (or is it NLF)
Is the will higher than or independent from the person concept ?
what make the difference between ancient magic and concept magic is the will, right? (they don't need to combine ancient magic to make it)

It's NFL to say they can resist anything, although at least in what non-smurf hax refer I can see them resisting most things since they already have showed to resist most forms of haxs, and in the case of the ones they haven't still show to resist they have resisted things close enough to assume they could do the same with that other ability.

I don't know from where you got that weird idea or what you want to do with that but no.

Yes, the will, and yes they need to combine ancient magic to make it.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I don't know from where you got that weird idea or what you want to do with that but no.

because Ehit's will kept existing after he was erased on a conceptual level.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

because Ehit's will kept existing after he was erased on a conceptual level.

A part of him was erased and the other part resisted (we are outright told so), the part that resisted it was his will to live, which is consistent with the fact that will is the key to create conceptual magic and that people can get resistance to it if their will is that stupidly strong.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Do you think his will was gonna bring him back by absorbing everything in the pocket dimension? (recreate him)

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Do you think his will was gonna bring him back by absorbing everything in the pocket dimension? (recreate him)

No, the part that got erased got erased, he just tried to survive by desesperately absorbing eveything else (which resulted in him accidentally absorbing the conception of the rest of things), this caused him to mutate in something that didn't resemble at all what he originally was.

Don't read so hard trying to look for something ultra complex that isn't there

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Are the nine worlds considered a multiverse? (why?)

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Are the nine worlds considered a multiverse? (why?)

Each world is in a different universe, a multiverse it's literally an group of multiple universes, very simple and intuitive.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Each world is in a different universe, a multiverse it's literally an group of multiple universes, very simple and intuitive.

Thanks just wanted to make sure because the latest chapter (470) we got more info about the verse cosmology. (more than 1 multiverse)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Here we got more info about the world: (ch470)

1)the nine worlds:

Hajime was letting out a deep sigh inside that space.

「……Don’t perceive what we called “other world” at the level of a “single planet”. Perceive it wider as a “single universe”, huh. Well, certainly that tracks. Even the desert world has outer space outside the planet and also other planets. Perhaps there is also planet with abundant nature and life somewhere in that vast universe.」

What Hajime and others vaguely called “other world” wasn’t a “different planet” that existed inside the same universe by all means. The universe itself was different from their universe, and the planet that they knew there was nothing more than a single planet inside that different universe.

Hajime once more spoke of the great premise that he had to base his perception on while tossing the tablet in his hand on the desk. He joined his hands behind his head and leaned back deeply on his chair. He stared at the empty space in order to sort his thinking.

「In other words, the “nine other worlds”, should be called as “nine other universes” to be more accurate……」

ch470

2)the multiverses:

That was the existence of “possible world”.

According to Foltina, even their nine universes were located on nothing more than a single branch from a major branch that extended from the world tree. Furthermore their universes were nothing more than the leaves that grew at the further end of a smaller branch. There were other branches and leaves beside their branch. Nearby branch would have similar worlds with theirs, while the far away branch could possibly could have worlds with completely different culture and history engraved on them.

Not only that, it might even be possible that there were different major branches that grew from the world tree, where mankind itself didn’t exist there in the first place, where the worlds were completely different, in law of physics, concept, or the world’s underlying principle.

「It’s not a simple story where there’s an origin world and that’s it huh.」

Even a goddess didn’t have a clear grasp of the details or the full picture, they couldn’t. But, as an avatar of a great tree, they simply understood that the world was like that from the moment they were born.

The way to know everything was to access the World Tree──that was to say the origin world, but it seemed their instinct or perhaps their soul warned them. That it was hopeless. That it was beyond them. Their existence itself would warp if they stepped further ahead, that they would never be able to return back to normal.

「If even a goddess will turn like that, it’ll be dangerous to go out of my way to investigate with the compass huh……」

He summoned the compass on his hand. He toyed with that object that was shaped like pocket watch on his palm while recalling when he searched for existence outside of the nine worlds.

The result went without saying. The compass showed no reaction at all.

Perhaps there was a powerful partition that even the compass was unable to grasp. Or perhaps something like the rule of the world was obstructing it.

Either way, he had no intention of going as far as braving danger just to ascertain it.

At the very least until he was able to secure his own safety.

so each branch contain one or more multiverses. The compass is a Law and Concept type 1 artifact that can locate anything matterial, abstract...

3) creatures from outside the nine worlds:

「The “Calamity” is a visitor from even further outside the “nine other universes” huh.」

That was one of the facts that Foltina tried to cover up.

The visitor didn’t come from the desert world, or even from some different planet in the same universe with the desert world. Far from it, it didn’t even came from the other eight universes.


Something that didn’t exist, mustn’t exist in their world, It was an Irregular in the truest sense.

The compass wasn't able to find anything about the other multiverses or this creature , further proving proving that the nine worlds's laws don't apply outside it.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

About Pre-evolution Hajime,
reaction speed: he dodged the white rabbit the same one that dodged the white wolf lightning midair.
durability: he is the weakest in the party and still survived Hiyama's fireball without much damage, multiple fireball where enough to slow down the behemoth (or maybe just his magic resistance) .

He dodge by instinct from a distance, he very explicitly couldn't follow him.

He didn't survive Hiyama fireball, the fireball hit the floor in front of him causing the bridge to finally fell after the barrage of spells and Behemoth impacts that damaged it badly. If you want an argument to upgrade his durability you would be better using the fact that he survived the abyss fall, however he don't know the details of it because apparently at some point he hit an underwater river that send him to the first true labyrinth floor.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Here we got more info about the world: (ch470)

1)the nine worlds:


2)the multiverses:



each branch hold a multiverse.

3) creatures from outside the nine worlds:

The compass wasn't able to find anything about the other multiverses or this creature , further proving proving that the nine worlds's laws don't apply to it.

Oh this very interesting. Hajime no better than to **** with the unknown. Also the fact concept magic gets negated like that is interesting but not surprising.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Oh this very interesting. Hajime no better than to **** with the unknown. Also the fact concept magic gets negated like that is interesting but not surprising.

you know he will, apparently everything from the nine worlds including concept type 1 and laws of physics don't work on outsiders because the follow different laws. (like Acausality 4)

How strong do you think the last Boss will be?

 

[Community_Gamer]

you know he will, apparently everything from the nine worlds including concept type 1 and laws of physics don't work on outsiders because the follow different laws. (like Acausality 4)

How strong do you think the last Boss will be?

I don't think he'd poke a bear he's not equipped to deal with. Especially without good reason

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I don't think he'd poke a bear he's not equipped to deal with. Especially without good reason

the author is preparing for it.
Didn't want to spoil it but everyone is getting more hax(s) and upgrades in this arc.
1)Hajime created a slime (ancient magic+nano-tech) + artifact that give people A.M. .
2)Kouki got his own op airship, Ancient Magic and discover the Hero's full power.
3)Myu spent a year in hour-crystal repeatedly fighting against Kousuke until she won (she is 7 years old now)+more weapons .there is more.

 

[Community_Gamer]

the author is preparing for it.
Didn't want to spoil it but everyone is getting more hax(s) and upgrades in this arc.
1)Hajime created a slime (ancient magic+nano-tech) artifact that give people A.M. .
2)Kouki got his own op airship, Ancient Magic and discover the Hero's full power.
3)Myu spent a year in hour-crystal repeatedly fighting against Kousuke until she won (she is 7 years old now)+more weapons .there is more.

The coolest has got to be Myu beating Kousuke. That has a lot of implications. Does Kouki really need AM and his Hero shit? Also the slime interesting in terms of the process but its not really that useful unless Hajime provided the missing AM for Shea, Tio, Kaori, Shizuku, and ig Aiko.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Does Kouki really need AM and his Hero shit? Also the slime interesting in terms of the process but its not really that useful unless Hajime provided the missing AM for Shea, Tio, Kaori, Shizuku, and ig Aiko.

The hero is a "unique existence" with only one hero in the nine worlds. the slime can mimic stuff (like body parts, weapon, shield, clothes...) that it already recorded without transmutation, that mean it's easy for Hajime to use artifact during the fight (still a prototype). The artifact that give people AM is just a prototype with some issues that why it was used on Kouki (expendable) and only getting Time magic almost killed him, also time travel is possible with it.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Why Mother's intelligence isn't supergenius, she is an AI from an advance technological world her processing power should be better than anything on earth she can analyze supernatural energies like mana, build a gate that summon people from other universe (reality warping with technology).

Supergenius: The highest level of non-omniscient intellect, possessed by individuals with unfathomably superhuman intelligence who are capable of creating impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology for extremely diverse purposes.

Take note that for a Supergenius rating to be given based on technological prowess, the character in question should be able to essentially warp reality as they wish on an at least universal (3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases. Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well.

 

[Community_Gamer]

The hero is a "unique existence" with only one hero in the nine worlds. the slime can mimic stuff (like body parts, weapon, shield, clothes...) that it already recorded without transmutation, that mean it's easy for Hajime to use artifact during the fight (still a prototype). The artifact that give people AM is just a prototype with some issues that why it was used on Kouki (expendable) and only getting Time magic almost killed him, also time travel is possible with it.

Oh I'll need more detailed information on what exactly the Slime has done as well as the potential of Time Travel/Time Magic. I can assume that the AM artifact is both a combination of all AM and mainly focused on Evolution Magic/Information Manipulation.
Although they can just complete the damn Labyrinth if they actually want it.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Oh I'll need more detailed information on what exactly the Slime has done as well as the potential of Time Travel/Time Magic. I can assume that the AM artifact is both a combination of all AM and mainly focused on Evolution Magic/Information Manipulation.
Although they can just complete the damn Labyrinth if they actually want it.

1) the slime

His left arm──the artificial arm that was disguised to look like a normal human arm lighted up with lines that looked like computer circuit running on the back of the hand part.

Yue blinked. That was because it was her first time seeing that.

「Return」

One word. The moment Hajime muttered it, the room that could be mistaken as a mountain of rubble had silver colored liquid surging from all over the place like tsunami.

「……Hajime? This is?」

「Hm? Aa, I still haven’t told you huh. I completed this just the other day, a new artifact. Well, it still need adjustment and testing though.」

Silver slime, or perhaps it should be described as a large snake that floated in the air. Several of such thing were whirling around Hajime. They branched off and joined different silver liquid to form multiple layers of beautiful helix.

Yue remembered seeing something like this before. The coloring was subtly different but, she had certainly seen it. Inside a past replay.

Yes,

「……Mother’s liquid metal?」

「Yeah. One of the spoils of war that I recovered along with the element conversion system. I arranged it for my exclusive use with electronic control system from earth and the machine world along with several age of gods magic enchanted on it.」

The wall and ceiling peeled off. The falling fragments were returning into silver liquid in the air. It seemed that it even had camouflage function.

「Earth has plenty of concepts like Terminato* or Iron Ma*’s nano tech after all. It was a pain because there was a lot of functions I wanted to add but, it was worth it forgoing sleep for many nights for this.」

The liquid metal got absorbed into the treasure warehouse. But, a part of it disguised itself as Hajime’s necklace and belt or got absorbed into his left arm.

「……Could it be, that left arm’s disguise is……」

「You noticed?」

The part that looked like the left arm’s living flesh instantly changed color to silver. It didn’t stop there and even transformed to take the shape of sharp knife or shield.

「My combat clothes can also be created instantly with just this thing. I’ve registered the form into the system after all. I don’t even need to think about it, and it’ll be able to create a coat with even more overwhelming toughness than any metal or monster material until now anytime. I also became able to fly to some degree with the liquid’s floating function, and if necessary I can also just transform it into weapon.」

「……That so」

It truly could be said as a masterpiece that fused the technologies of three worlds.

Hajime was immensely proud. It still needed further adjustment and testing, but it seemed he was thinking that it was a satisfying result even for him.

He was covering his workshop with it was also to verify the camouflage function, and testing whether he could use transmutation magic through it just as programmed to process material
. ch470

2)A.M. artifact and time travel

「Regeneration magic will be indispensable for the revival of the branches after all. ……He said nice timing and tested that thing that was still in theoretical phase to me.」

「「Human experiment!?」」

Moana’s eyes widened. Even Myuu looked slightly turned off and said 「Papa, even if it’s to Kouki-oniisan who you hate, doing that is just……」.

In fact, he went through horribly dreadful experiences because of that, like being assaulted with terrible headache and his body seizing up violently like a fish that got thrown on land, the seizing got too much and his body snapped and needed to be revived, becoming a cripple that could do nothing except giggling dyufufufu, returning back into the past Kouki when he had just got summoned to Tortus, then because of that he got punched, then as expected he snapped and half destroyed Hajime’s underground workshop and it devolved into a serious fight, etc, etc.

Kouki himself wished to be able to use regeneration magic on his own so he endured it, but it went without saying that after that he strongly swore that he would never got into Hajime’s experiment ever again.

Also, he hadn’t learned the other age of god magic. He was completely exhausted and had no will to on anymore just from regeneration magic. Though if the magic got improved, it would become easier to make other people learn those magic.

Kouki stared at the empty space with a vague expression. It made Aularodde to turn pale too and felt worried──not. She pressed her with question.

「As I thought you really got dragged into demon king-sama’s experiment! And that was also an experiment that is related to interfering with time! Let me ask clearly, have you gone to the past and did something forbidden!?」

「I never! I also never went to the past!」

To think that the “doing time travel and making child suspicion” came up once more here. It was a fact that he became a guinea pig, so strong doubt was residing inside Aularodde and Moana’s eyes now.

Coughh Kouki cleared his throat. He forcefully returned the talk to be back on topic.

「As expected it’s difficult to go back for several thousands years with just regeneration magic so……」

It would be possible if he received unlimited magic power supply, but to do that he would have to ask Hajime to supply magic power to him across worlds.
ch470

 

[Community_Gamer]

1) the slime

Oh that's very interesting can't to see what he does with that.

2)A.M. artifact and time travel

The A.M. Artifact is ok honestly not that interesting. The time travel sounds probable but unnecessary.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Is the space between universes considered 5D?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Is the space between universes considered 5D?

From memory I think yes, it's the default assumption that the space that encompass X dimensions have to be one dimension above, although iirc it's also hard to scale to it.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

From memory I think yes, it's the default assumption that the space that encompass X dimensions have to be one dimension above, although iirc it's also hard to scale to it.

so the world Tree's branch that contain the nine realms is 5D ?

also this sound like the space between worlds.

――O child of calamity

Dread ran through Shia’s whole body. She didn’t see any vision of death. It was simply her instinct ringing the alarm bell noisily.

――Fall, to the interval of the worlds

The moment that sentence resounded, the space behind Shia twisted crazily.

「Wha-, this is-」

Shia immediately attempted to retreat from that place, but she was pulled in by a tremendous power and she stumbled midair.

When she looked across her shoulder, over there the twisted space and whirling darkness were……

「Don’t tell me, a gravitational field!?」

A power greatly resembling that which frequently used by the vampire princess she was so close it caught Shia and wouldn’t let go.

She desperately stood her ground using the foothold of the “Air Force”, but the twisted space and whirling darkness expanded in proportion of her effort. It was trying to envelop Shia in spherical shape.

It covered her above, spread below her too, and narrowed in from left and right.

In that situation she already had no other choice but to leap forward, however, at this point the after-effect of Level X worked against her. She could only reinforce herself until Level V, with that she was unable to get away from the gravitational field!

「Nununu-, this is a biiit bad!! Or rather, interval of worlds you said!?」

In order to recover even by a bit more, she summoned recovery medicine from her treasure warehouse and caught it in her mouth. She crunched the rim and gulped down the content while yelling. In the end, was the star tree Lutria answering her, or perhaps it was just a one-sided proclamation?

――To somewhere that is not here. Simply, because you shouldn’t exist in this world.

「That’s unreasonable! Even I didn’t come here because I want you know!? Where are you planning to send me!? At least please make it a world I can survive in you know!?」

The interval of worlds, she could only feel uneasy hearing those words. It would still be better if it was another world. But, if it was a place just like the words meant……

The distortion of space was enveloping Shia further. The whirling darkness behind Shia was getting bigger to a size that completely covered Shia, and then it approached her like a high wave. ch337

and this (range or speed?)

「See, Bel-chan and others won’t do such thing nano.」

「……How do you know that?」

「See, Bel-chan and others, they told Myuu nano. They all are just bored, doing nothing but ruling or quarreling, that they even got sick of their friends, and then, one day they felt power with presence that is similar with themselves, and when they tried going following the attraction, they came to Myuu’s place, they said.」

「Similar presence……」

Could it be, they referred to the self-proclaimed god of Tortus? Or else, did they mean the age of god magic? At that time, Tortus was just a step before the world’s demise. Certainly tremendous power was at work at that time.

Perhaps it somehow shook the worlds interval between Tortus and hell. ch319

this also remind me when Ehit was killed his dimension was being swallowed by a "black wall" and Naiz erasing his village, it's kind of like the void, right?

Does this affect their dimensionality or atleast their senses and range like Hajime sensing Shia from another universe. (cosmic awareness?)

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Still like 20 chapters behind the current translation so don't checking any of those things until I get up to day, which I suppose will be at bare minimum a month and half later as I'm currently doing like 2-3 chapters per week. You could try to ask Pegasus to see if he knows or if he can ask people more knowledgeable in that area.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Still like 20 chapters behind the current translation so don't checking any of those things until I get up to day, which I suppose will be at bare minimum a month and half later as I'm currently doing like 2-3 chapters per week. You could try to ask Pegasus to see if he knows or if he can ask people more knowledgeable in that area.

Nah I'll wait you're the expert in Arifureta.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Does this work for a AP, range or speed feat ?

Could it be, they referred to the self-proclaimed god of Tortus? Or else, did they mean the age of god magic? At that time, Tortus was just a step before the world’s demise. Certainly tremendous power was at work at that time.

Perhaps it somehow shook the worlds interval between Tortus and hell. ch319

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Does this work for a AP, range or speed feat ?

Nothing.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Nothing.

there is something similar of Goku and Beerus punch

DBS Battle of Gods speed recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

there is something similar of Goku and Beerus punch

DBS Battle of Gods speed recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

If you want you can try to calc something, but from the beginning I will tell you that there is nothing to calc, the intervals of worlds isn't some physical know location like the universe calced in that blog (like Earth and Hell were only connected by water), it's a conceptual distance that represent the position of each world in the heaven tree, and the connection between Tortus and Hell was a path just openned because the seven kings somehow got summoned for an unknown reason like Myu being Myu.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

If you want you can try to calc something, but from the beginning I will tell you that there is nothing to calc, the intervals of worlds isn't some physical know location like the universe calced in that blog (like Earth and Hell were only connected by water), it's a conceptual distance that represent the position of each world in the heaven tree, and the connection between Tortus and Hell was a path just openned because the seven kings somehow got summoned for an unknown reason like Myu being Myu.

make sense.
this explain a lot of stuff.

「The gap of “hell” and “this world” is wavering. Just now, I said that they could not cross the gap of worlds without the “mirror gate” but……now is different. In this time when this gap is wavering, if there is a medium that can easily connect the interval, they will be able to descend to “this world” with a strong body maintaining their existence.」

For example, a mirror. A mirror that reflected another world, especially when there was an opposite mirror, the gap of worlds could be shaken just with that.

For example, a thick mist. A heavy mist that shut the field of vision where it was impossible to look even an inch ahead, it could also shake the spot of “this world” itself.

And then, water.

The world was connected by water. Water was a natural “gate” that crossed every world.

mirrors can work as a portal too, also mist got some spatial properties (like Tomoe's):
the cave that isekai Hajime and Tio into a cloud or when Kousuke was accidently isekai to that dimension with Hinata when he was surrounded by mist

「…………Eh? Where is everyone?」

His classmates, weren’t around.

Not only that, there was nobody else. He was alone in this tourist attraction that was that crowded before.

Silence. Cold air caressed his skin.

He couldn’t see ahead of the torii corridor clearly. There was thin mist at the surrounding when he realized.

This situation clearly wasn’t normal.

One of the profoundly mysterious legends that could also be found in Fushimi Inari crossed the back of his mind.

The so called “spirited away”.

「……Even though, I only came here for school trip.」ch402

and this

「You were in the middle of a school trip, and when you noticed, you were already in the middle of a torii corridor, was it? ……That sounds like a case of a spirited away person.」

「Yeah. Then perhaps Hinata-chan is also in the same boat like me? I don’t know what’s the deal with your amnesia though……」

Kousuke had also talked about his circumstance to some degree. Except about his circumstance at the returnee side.

After he got left alone in the middle of torii corridor, he kept walking for half a day through the long corridor that was clearly far longer than in reality no matter how he looked at it.

The stone paving and red torii’s were extending endlessly without any change in scenery. It felt like he was not making any progress at all. The outside of the corridor was covered in mist, and even when he threw caution to the wind and tried charging daringly into the mist, he only ended up at his original spot.

He also tried using the Gate artifact, but although it activated, the light membrane had noises running through it or wavering, or dispersing from the edge. It looked dodgy and didn’t seem usable. ch404

water, wind and light:

「Yep yep! You see, mister. The wind is connected anywhere in the world. Surely that god too marked you mister so they can sense you wherever you are.」

「What the hell is that. It’s scary that I got marked by an unknown fellow somewhere……」ch388

「You are connected to that god by wind after all! And they are also a god, so I think it will be easy for them to come!」

According to them, it wasn’t just limited to wind, apparently existences who possessed nature divinity of water or light were also relatively easy to summon although not as easy as the hero as long as there was some kind of connection formed even through the partition of the world. Especially divinity with strong connection with “World Tree’s Branch”. ch388

Lutria as an avatar should get BFR for being able to send people to the interval or other worlds, similar to how the witch on earth sent Hajime and Shea to Hell.

 

[Community_Gamer]

there is something similar of Goku and Beerus punch

DBS Battle of Gods speed recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

We know that a wave of energy being produced by Goku and Beerus was causing the annihilation of U7. This instance far to vague, like who's even scaling to it? And does it make sense?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

We know that a wave of energy being produced by Goku and Beerus was causing the annihilation of U7. This instance far to vague, like who's even scaling to it? And does it make sense?

you're right, but the seven deadly sins sense something, came to Tortus and posses his Golem before the final battle start, and we know that nothing impressive was going on except Hajime's will (denial) making his strongest concept and forcing it on the world, also the 7Ds who are compared to Ehit were able to sense it and he couldn't and we know even lower demons are able to use true ancient magic.
If even the 7Ds don't f with Hajime, don't you think there is a reason for that (possibly Myu).

I only mentioned it because I thought it was impressive like Kratos vs Thor and Goku vs Beerus.

 

[Community_Gamer]

you're right, but the seven deadly sins sense something, came to Tortus and posses his Golem before the final battle start, and we know that nothing impressive was going on except Hajime's will (denial) making his strongest concept and forcing it on the world, also the 7Ds who are compared to Ehit were able to sense it and he couldn't and we know even lower demons are able to use true ancient magic.
If even the 7Ds don't f with Hajime, don't you think there is a reason for that (possibly Myu).

The problem is just the vagueness and if it's the concept magic (unlikely since no one even sensed it at first). And even if it did....it doesn't really scale in a tangible way imo.

I only mentioned it because I thought it was impressive like Kratos vs Thor and Goku vs Beerus.

Potentially yeah

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

just noticed that Aiko doesn't have:
possible large size: king tree and her trent warrior
fire, light and explosion manipulation: Hyrerion, Rose Helios
space manipulation: Mirror Bits bend space
possible limited weather manipulation and a barrier that protect her from it:

• Fertile Rain: Allows the users to create fertile rain.

• Weather Barrier: Allows the users to create a barrier against the weather.