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Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

Another possible proof of Kouki being High 6-B or 6-A:
(Only if we consider the 7DS equal to Ehit)

We have Kouki (hardly) dealing with a lightning dragon, white dragon and a red dragon(From the myth?) empowered by the DRAGON.
「Craapp-. ――”Maximum – God’s Might”-」

Kouki’s “God’s Might” crashed head on against a breath attack of a red dragon that was unleashed right at this moment.

It felt like the world itself was shaken. The dragon type apparitions at the surrounding were blown away by the after blast.

There, a white dragon flew out from behind the red dragon and launched its own dragon’s breath.

The timing was so superb as though the two dragons were cooperating with each other. Perhaps even the dragon god’s lightning attack just now was nothing more than a step to create this opening from how it looked like. This phenomenon had often occurred from the start of the battle.

Even though sanity couldn’t be felt at all from the dragons, even though they should be just charging ahead recklessly……

Kouki’s gigantic light dragon blocked the white dragon’s breath with its own breath.

「Damn youuuu-!!」

Kouki poured even more of his fighting spirit and magic power. Like that the minion and master somehow managed to tore through the enemy’s attack right from the front.

But, he was running out of breath. Unlike the previous time, they were unable to scatter the enemy swarm in one go.

The reason for that was none other than,

「As expected from divinity owners-」

There were a lot of beings with divinity among the attacking dragons.
They were in their full power:
There was no doubt its existence was resonating with the dragon type beings here. Most likely its influence was the reason why only the dragon type beings were able to slip out of their seals. In addition it was also definitely the reason why the dragons possessed their original strength and working together superbly with each other.
Lucifer and a dragon god:
There was a gigantic bloody wind that was whirling like tornado. Another gigantic silhouette was projected on that red vortex. It was a humanoid silhouette with six pairs of wings.

A demon. Anything else would be impossible. The being was radiating a vicious and terrifying presence that anybody would understand just from a glance that this being could only be a demon.

But, the cause of this battlefield’s hellishness wasn’t solely because of his presence.

There was an existence facing the demon.

It was gigantic coiling snake dragon with a halo on its back. Its figure that was controlling the rain pouring down from the sky and raging torrents whirling obediently around it was truly sublime and beautiful. Most existences would naturally harbor feelings of awe and veneration toward it due to the divine majesty it was radiating.

And then,

「Oi oi, what’s going on here? Just what’s the situation……」

『A-art this perhaps war?』

Around the two beings there were also dozens of demons who had taken off their Grim Reaper skin and displayed their true nature in the open, and also dozens of dragon-kinds, eastern and western in a fierce battle against each other.

Every one of them were named great demon or legendary dragon.
ch481
It was fighting with Lucifer
「They hath also mended the nature they destroyed each time. Though this time they got a little bit too heated up and the matter turned serious because “the location got detected because it was undetectable”.」

Actually, it seemed that great squabble between races had broken out many times.

Although they had the enthusiasm to “make the other understood which side was superior”, apparently they had no intention of seriously eradicating each other, so they, especially the low ranked demons and the majority of the dragons were thinking of it like a revelry that was carried out periodically.

That was the story that Hajime heard from “Lusifer~” and the white dragon after he beat both of them equally with his Soul Break Punch (A punch of his artificial arm that directly impacted the soul, created for use against Shia who was too solid. It was painful but it didn’t inflict any injury at all and could be said as a punch for gag).

He reached one conclusion. Just do whatever.

Hajime warned them that it would be only as long as they didn’t harm the “Miniature Garden” and other races, but then he left them to their own devices.
ch481
Does it make Kouki equal to them?

Any way Hajime just one punching them is more impressive.
 
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Possible summoning :
Can we consider everyone with a hybrid smartphone able to summon allies or artifact?
Ex:
1)When Myu call Hajime in "4 Santas chapter".
2)When Kousuke called Hajime for a laser strike.
 
Possible summoning :
Can we consider everyone with a hybrid smartphone able to summon allies or artifact?
Ex:
1)When Myu call Hajime in "4 Santas chapter".
2)When Kousuke called Hajime for a laser strike.
Ehhh but did the phone transport Hajime and the laser strike? Also, it seems dependant on another character entirely.
 
Ain't no way
Hajime playing it:
Unlike Hajime, Nemoto preferred digital version. The TV’s screen switched picture and he selected one game from the numerous titles that were lined up.

「Fighting game huh? Or rather this series, it has reached until the sixth?」

「Based on that you don’t know just as I thought huh? It came out half a year ago. There’re for and against but it introduced a new innovative system. The high hurdle that is characteristic of fighting game got reduced here. Right now this game is getting absurdly popular among the streamer circle, no, even among the average people.」

「Hee~. I got this image that fighting games are getting marginalized but, the genre is making a comeback huh……」

Perhaps it was just their imagination but Hajime’s eyes when looking at the game screen looked sparkling. Hajime naturally also had a taste for fighting game since the past. If he heard that the latest work of a series he liked was introducing a new system that was never seen before, of course his heart would be trembling with expectation.
His favorite charater(Ken)
And then, Nemoto selected an old gentleman character who was carrying a stick. Yonekura covered his eyes with his hand when he saw that. Hajime felt suspicion seeing that, even so he felt that the appearance of the blond haired and red colored character that had been his favorite throughout the series had become really refined after so long of not playing──

(The command key of the basic technique might be the same right? With my current reflexes I’ll have enough leeway to input the command after watching the opponent first)

Hajime himself was smirking childishly inside his heart──

Thirty seconds later.

「──Eh?」

「Ha—– HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-!! Dogeza-kuun? What’s wronggg!? I got perfect win over here thoughhh!」

Far from being able to land a hit, he practically couldn’t even attack before his character got KO-ed.

「No-, wai-, what the hell was that just now!? This is fighting game right!? How did I got one-sidedly killed with long range magic──magic (?) like that! That is cheat no matter how I see it!」

「That’s the mechanism.」

The glasses push up kui was irritating!!

「One more time! Once more!」

「Caan’t be helped」

And then he died without being able to do anything again.
even the author
– Psycho powered old gentleman & a fighter who looks good with blonde hair and red

JP and Ken of [Street Fighter 6]. By the way, Shirakome is a Jamie fan. Something like drunken fist and break dance combination is just nothing but romance. You are the coolest no matter what anyone else said. You can’t win only because Shirakome is lousy. I’m sorry……Jamie.
 
Ehhh but did the phone transport Hajime and the laser strike?
No, but He can ask him to do it.
Also, it seems dependant on another character entirely.
Isn't that what summoning mean?
It was then, Myuu santa grinned fearlessly and took action.

「Eat this nano! Sure kill move――!」

She pointed her hand forward with a cool move. Then pushed click. Tururururu- A call ringtone rang!

「――”Calling Papa”!!」

――Myuu? What’s the matter? You should be home already shouldn’t you?

――Papa save Myuu! There is a pervert nano!

「Where is this suicide volunteer?」

「Hii!? Senpai!? Since when!?」

「Bo-boss-san!? Where did you appear from pyon!?」

「Eh, aa!? Demon king student-san――not, Nagumo Hajime-kun right!?」

The three santa showed three different reactions. The senpai, the boss and the demon king student Hajime had appeared out of nowhere with his back facing them.

No wonder. Certainly an instant summoning of demon king was indeed a sure kill move. ch 368
So, Myu can summon Hajime and the rest of the harem, How OP is that?
 
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No, but He can ask him to do it.
Ok that's what I thought.
Isn't that what summoning mean?
No because its contextual. It requires Hajime to always exist independently from the user and not be busy with something else. He's not standard equipment or anything. Its not like a Pokémon or having familiars. You can try to get this changed by I think this shut down pretty based on the standards for summoning.
So, Myu can summon Hajime and the rest of the harem, How OP is that?
In universe yes, but not in any crossverse example.
 
In universe yes, but not in any crossverse example.
But some characters exist within the Miniature Garden that can be accessed through the treasure trove and the other rings.

With the help of the 7DS, Myu can fo this:
At the same time, at a corner of Nagumo house’s garden, the small pond that Myuu asked Hajime to create started to bubble up fiercely. Then right after that, an offensive smell that was similar to sulfur pierced everyone’s nose,

――IaAAAAAAAAAAAA-

Countless repulsive roars echoed――

「Ah, sorry to all of you demons! It’s night so can Myuu ask you all to keep it quiet-, nano!」

――IHH!? aaaa~

The demons who kept their volume at the downlow got called from hell.

There were only shadows squirming on the Nagumo house’s fence. Their movement felt a bit reserved.

「Eh? What’s this? I doth not anything about this……」

Since when was Myuu able to open a hell’s gate and employed demons?

Tio muttered with an expression that was a mix of agitation and bewilderment. Remia mama who seemed to be similarly in the dark before this staggered and fell on the sofa.

「Endou said that water is a natural gate that connected to all the worlds nano. When Myuu wondered if Lu-chan and others can do something like that because they are the hell’s demon kings and asked them about it, they said that it’s possible if they have help with papa’s artifact.」ch 415
and water apparitions
「Oh, Ojou-sama. There is something there you know?」

Etemp-san looked at the small pond that had stopped bubbling with deep interest. Shuu and others also peered fearfully at the garden while wondering 「Eh, there is still something else?」.

The small pond only had small ripples spreading through it. They couldn’t really see anything else other than……

「Waah, Su~chan, Mi-chan! And Ryu~chan too, all of you are going to help nano? Eh? Hime-chan and Keru-chan will help too if it’s near the river? Thank you nano!!」

It seemed that Myuu was able to see something. No, right now something faint with the size of a small child and scaly skin, something that looked like a coiling snake, something that looked like koi fish jumping to the air, a beauty in kimono, and something like a half transparent horse felt like they entered into sight……

Chapun the center of the small pond splashed unnaturally. ch 415
1)Su= Suiko, it's simmilar to Kappa.
2)Mi= Mizuchi?
3)Ryu= not sure, possibly a dragon that live in a river or waterfall?
4)Hime= Hashihime
5)Keru= Kelpie, a water horse from Scottish folklore.
 
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But some characters exist within the Miniature Garden that can be accessed through the treasure trove and the other rings.
That's obviously a completely different circumstance because she has the ability access or force someone/something out of the Miniature Garden. If you can't control the act of summoning then its obviously invalid. If Myu calls Hajime or Tio and they don't want to or can't show up or are simply unavailable then yeah that's not going to qualify. This is literally just outside help
With the help of the 7DS, Myu can fo this:
Weird kid, kid but aren't the 7DS usually around Myu? Also, even if they are she was given access to a gate that means she has the innate ability to summon demons for hell.
and water apparitions
Cool. Not sure if this summoning since she's just talking to them. They seem like they were already around.
 
That's obviously a completely different circumstance because she has the ability access or force someone/something out of the Miniature Garden. If you can't control the act of summoning then its obviously invalid. If Myu calls Hajime or Tio and they don't want to or can't show up or are simply unavailable then yeah that's not going to qualify. This is literally just outside help

Weird kid, kid but aren't the 7DS usually around Myu? Also, even if they are she was given access to a gate that means she has the innate ability to summon demons for hell.
Ok
Cool. Not sure if this summoning since she's just talking to them. They seem like they were already around.
All of those are apparitions related to water, so maybe they can use it to travel.
1)Su: Suiko, it's simmilar to Kappa.
……Oh? Myuu’s legs stopped.

She is looking around restlessly. She crouched on the river bank, her head tilt……

……

Something came out!? From inside the river, something that looks like a child covered with scales all over its body came out!?

What is that!? UMA!?

Perhaps Myuu is in a pinch. Here I’ll use Divine Existence and take Myuu――

Nn? It looks like they have amicable atmosphere. Ah, they handshake. The UMA waved and vanished into the river. ch263
4)Hime: Hashihime
「Aah, that woman who came talking to us at Ujibashi Bridge huh.」

「……She was really beautiful but, she might be a bit similar with Kaori.」

When it was time for free activity, Hajime and others went to Ujibashi Bridge. While Hajime and co were harmoniously having fun there, that woman was there without anyone noticing. The unfamiliar beauty was sending them dark gaze and whispered 「How envious……」 while approaching them.

Ten out of ten people would surely turn around seeing that woman’s beautiful face, so Kaori felt a bit bashful hearing what Yue said――

「……with how ill that woman felt.」

「I’m not ill! I’m in perfect health!」

Yue and Kaori sat with Hajime between them, but they grappled with both their hands locked with each other through Hajime.

「Rather than that, Hajime. You really don’t know that person? The other side know about you though.」

Shizuku left alone Yue and Kaori who were raising their friendship physically and asked Hajime.

Just as Shizuku said, when that beauty who approached with a dangerous look arrived at a distance where her hand could reach, her eyes opened wide as though she noticed something and she began to stare hard at Hajime. And then, neglecting the bewildered Hajime and co, the beauty nodded as though in understanding of something and whispered 「For us to meet in this kind of place……」.

「No, I don’t remember her at all. But, from what she said at the end there, that’s」

――I’ll turn a blind eye in deference to that child

That child……”A child” that was related with Hajime. ch 284

She even befriended Jack-O-lantern
That aside, when I went to the backyard searching for Myuu who was gone in the middle of the party, Myuu was talking friendlily with someone wearing pumpkin head and mantel though……

Just who in the world was that?





「That person was Jack-san nano.」

Myuu casually answered the question written at the end of October’s diary. Yue went 「Who?」 while tilting her head.

「……I know that. Because he wore the costume of Jack o Lantern right? That’s not it, I’m asking who was inside the costume. When I asked later, everyone said that they didn’t wear such costume.」

「?? Jack-san is Jack-san nano.」

「……E~rr?」

「Jack-san was a really bad person nano. He cannot go to both heaven and hell and is wandering in this world forever nano. He said that he is seriously reflecting. Right now he is doing good thing with his all nano. That’s why, he became friend with Myuu nano.」ch 285
 
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Could Hajime get an "enhanced or greater" sealing for sealing the DRAGON ?

BTW Abe no Seimei(Hanita's ancestor) sealed a sleeping DRAGON while Hajime was able to seal it after it was awakened.
 
Hajime fights a chinaman:
 
No, but he can interact with AE1&2, will that help?
Only if it has something to do with information, specificly type 2, Everything in Tensura is Information type 2, SKills, souls, Concepts are all made up of information. So being unable to interact with it would more or less make him unable to interact with most of the verse. And all Spirtual life forms in tensura are made up on completly from Information type 2 and Concept 2, but the infromation is much more important for the verse.
 
Only if it has something to do with information, specificly type 2, Everything in Tensura is Information type 2, SKills, souls, Concepts are all made up of information. So being unable to interact with it would more or less make him unable to interact with most of the verse. And all Spirtual life forms in tensura are made up on completly from Information type 2 and Concept 2, but the infromation is much more important for the verse.
(Why don't I see this in there matches?)

Don't think he can interact with them, but he can gain resistance to CM2 hax or passivly through some artifact.

Can the abstract energy that make up AE1&2 be considered info type2?
 
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(Why don't I see this in there matches)
Most of the Tensura matches are from the WN, So i can't say much about that. But i also know that most of the Tensura supporters dosen't like to do vs battles.(versus threads)
Don't think he can interact with them, but he can gain resistance to CM2 hax or passivly through some artifact.
CM 2 is a passive hax of all Spirtual life forms, and is also needed to affect them, along side the more important factor information manipulation 2.
Can the abstract energy that make up AE1&2 be considered info type2?
From what i read on koukis page, and the scans related to them it dosen't seem like it.
 
Most of the Tensura matches are from the WN, So i can't say much about that. But i also know that most of the Tensura supporters dosen't like to do vs battles.(versus threads)
Correct all the OG supporters like me are MIA
CM 2 is a passive hax of all Spirtual life forms, and is also needed to affect them, along side the more important factor information manipulation 2.
Yeah unfortunately.
From what i read on koukis page, and the scans related to them it dosen't seem like it.
Not really a good match
 
Correct all the OG supporters like me are MIA
Yeah, a lot quit due to a specfic verse supporters often blocking the verse upgrades, while the others focus on improving, upgrading or fixing the profiles, while also creating them.
Not really a good match
It really wasen't.


Either way we are currently focusing on finding missing abilities, along side creating new profiles, and fixing old once up. But mainly trying to make them a lot better looking. For example, we recently created a skill page that we are trying to get accepted. Though for now it only has Ultimate skills and Unique skills. We plan to add magic, and Anti skills also.
 
Does this prove something about gods or just the great tree's materials?

1)The holy sword:
「By the way, about the holy sword……just as you guys imagined, it seems to be something created from the Great Tree. It seems at the bottom of the great tree, at a place near the bottom of the roots, there was a spot where the root and underground minerals blend with each other. It seemed that was the main material used for the holy sword.」

「I see. That was why the best Hajime could do was only giving maintenance to the holy sword.」

In the past, when Hajime tried to improve the holy sword, it contained too many black boxes that in the end, Hajime mainly just repaired it so that the degradation that had accumulated over time was removed and the holy sword could display its original power. Other than that Hajime could only add external options for it.

「Yeah, I couldn’t completely meddle with the holy sword because the Great Tree’s material is also mixed in it. ……I’ll say this just in case, it’s not the transformation of an avatar like what Aularodde did. What Aularodde did was just because she got a screw loose in her head.」ch 386

2)According to Lyutillis, the best info magic user.
『The majestic great tree. The protector tree of the sea of trees. The symbol of the holy ground. As someone who has been together with the great tree ever since I was born, there is something that I have been sensing somehow all this time.

Was this just the biggest and oldest tree in the world?

Was it the center of the sea of trees?

No, that wasn’t all there was to it. This tree wasn’t something that could simply be described as this world’s symbol.

It’s more, yes, it feels like this tree is taking root even deeper, until the core of this world……I am not talking about physically, but conceptually, it feels like the tree is connected to something that surpass human’s understanding……pardon me. I can’t really describe it well……

Lyutilis stared at empty air as she desperately tried to put the sensation she was feeling into words, however, in the end she couldn’t find the right word and smiled wryly. She then turned her gaze toward Hajime and co again.

But there, her eyes were the eyes of a transcendental who had arrived at the highest peak of human knowledge. It was the shudderingly deep gaze of the user of an age of god magic for interfering with information.

『But, please at least remember this. That the great tree is not merely an ancient and large tree. Losing the great tree might possibly lead to a disaster that cannot be undone.』ch 437
She was able sense a concept magic based barrier in Arifureta zero, will that give the tree something like CM1?

3)The tree interfering with concept magic:
Or rather, the teleport destination, it got slightly shifted……this star tree is something, not bad.」

Hajime who grumbled that looked around and smiled wryly.

The place they teleported to seemed to be the edge of the star tree’s solitary island――above a cliff. They planned to teleport directly to the star tree’s location, but apparently the space was interfered with and they ended up on the island’s edge.

In the end, was it the star tree that was absurd with how it obstructed the Crystal Key’s teleportation ability, or was it the Crystal Key that was absurd with how it overcame the obstruction of a god of a world and teleported the user through even if it was only to the edge of the stronghold?
ch 340
and suppressing the "calamity" miasma:
The hero too, when she consigned the “calamity” into oblivion, it infected her with miasma as though to leave a parting gift. Although she didn’t die, her body would harm her surrounding if she didn’t stay within the range of the Blessing Tree’s protection where the miasma could be suppressed. ch 468
Foltina's barriers and stamina:
『I was exhausted to the extreme from luring the infected species and forming three layers of barrier. From there I have to devote most of my focus in maintaining the barrier while also resting. I had to resign myself to recover slowly.』

Foltina didn’t touch the harsh comment that Kalagura made. Rather she was speaking with consideration for him in her tone as she continued on.

「Three layers barrier?」

『Yes, hero-sama. A barrier to reject invasion into this world, a barrier to seal the infected species in this continent, and a camouflaging barrier to protect Glassnerde and this world’s cornerstone.』


「A-a barrier that protected a whole world……」ch 468
Possibly the great tree could weaken abilities in close proximity from it.

4)The soul of gods:
「Still, it was something that happened through great stretch of time. It will take time for her to recover fully. Originally, soul is a forbidden domain that even god cannot easily interfere with. Not to mention she is a goddess of creation herself. Her soul is fundamentally different from human soul. No matter how powerful and transcendence you all are, be aware of the potentially fatal risk for a child of man to reach your hand toward such thing.

Aularodde’s gaze moved toward Hajime, then Yue and others.

That was a warning from a goddess (even if formerly) who had protected innumerable life of her world for countless years.

It was exactly because Hajime and others had heard that warning before this that they didn’t keep trying to force Ua Alto’s recovery and chose to ask other goddess. ch 459
Even Hajime and Yue didn't mess with that.

The holy sword:
resistance to: info type2 or info analysis, matter and soul manipulation.

Lutria: possible CM1and powernull using the tree
resistance to: info type 2 or info analysis, soul manipulation, possible CM1.

Miniature Garden: should get some protection from The Treasure Tree, possibly why the DRAGON's influence dudn't reach or was it just a range problem?

What else?
 
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Hajime fights a chinaman#2
 
Statistics reduction for Hajime:
She said. Furthermore, it seemed from the start she had intended to cross swords with Shizuku, so she had intentionally brought dougi and protectors in Shizuku’s size beforehand.

Even Shizuku got motivated after seeing Fudou going that far for her. It was even more so after Hajime gave her a restrain in the form of artifact that he claimed to be able to allow her 「You can get serious even if you can’t go full power with this」.

The result of the bout was……it went without saying

. ch484
He can already do it(EOMS)

and Powernull:
The audiences all had various emotions that they were feeling, but they were all clearly holding the priest in contempt without exception.

There were handcuffs shackling the hands of these people.

Those weren’t normal handcuffs. They were artifacts that completely blocked the usage of power regardless whether they used magic power or willpower.

Yes, the people attending the sermon today was the “awakened”.
ch 485
I'm just wondering if lowering the stats of a Tier 5 character into that of a normal human count as a better feat, or if he could use "core seal" to weaken someone powers and resistance?
 
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