Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What are you referring to specifically?

from chapter 481.
We got more info about Tio like her dragon flight speed, dragon's authority and she got gravity magic through Hajime's artifact. (we could wait until the end of the series to post a CRT that cover everything)

But why would he do that for?

Excess of energy, apparently the energy is too much unless he let the Miniature Garden expand infinitely, but he didn't because the elemental spirits won't be able to keep up with nature in order to adjust it. The Miniature Garden stared developing weird stuff like a volcano on a frozen lake, locations where the directions of UP and DOWN are reversed... (I was using google translate)

 

[Community_Gamer]

from chapter 481.
We got more info about Tio like her dragon flight speed, dragon's authority and she got gravity magic through Hajime's artifact. (we could wait until the end of the series to post a CRT that cover everything)

Scans?

Excess of energy, apparently the energy is too much unless he let the Miniature Garden expand infinitely, but he didn't because the elemental spirits won't be able to keep up with nature in order to adjust it. The Miniature Garden stared developing weird stuff like a volcano on a frozen lake, locations where the directions of UP and DOWN are reversed... (I was using google translate)

That's definitely odd. But it sounds like expanding it infinitely will make it worse. Also unless he's using the energy for something that consumes at the same rate the energy produced there will always be excess.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Scans?

It's scattered all over the chapter.

Tio's potential :

Tio and other members of dragon race could transform into dragon was because they as a race had “dragonification factor” mixed into their soul.

That story was something that Hajime and Tio had confirmed between them during the time before the final battle in Tortus, when Tio was learning how to transform other races into black dragon as her new magic.

After all, that magic worked by Tio duplicating her “dragon factor” and inserting it into the target.

「Not to mention, as the result of you continuously enduring the interference of the “Dragon”, you became able to sense your “dragon’s factor” even stronger than before──no, you became able to sense “dragon’s factor” even in other people. Anyone else would also easily reach the same idea if they know that.」

Hajime shrugged and easily spoke something absurd.

「──Even Tio, should be able to do similar thing even if not to the same degree like the “Dragon” shouldn’t she? That kinda idea.」

『Uumu, that might be so thanks to the hindsight but……』

To be talked like she was at the same rank like Hajime, with his Creator disposition, whose inventiveness could be said to be his greatest strength without exaggeration……a strained laugh seeped into Tio’s tone.

『It’s the power of a monster that couldst destroy not only a planet but even the universe thou realize? Normally, nobody wouldst dare to think that, I couldst also do the same thing!』

「That so?」

That was so. An out of bounds existence that had the means to do “pseudo-revival and subordination” of mythological dragons, not only existing dragons, and to do it in a world-wide scale. Normally nobody would easily reach an idea of comparing themselves to such existence. And even if somebody could, they wouldn’t go as far as carrying out the idea.

It was the same like someone who had a hobby of doing some kind of sports, thinking 「I can also do something like that am I not?」 after watching a godlike-feat of an undisputed and absolute champion of that sport who had left their name in history.

But, even though Tio’s expression convulsed as she said 「That’s impossible」 when she first heard the idea, Hajime told her 「It’s possible if it’s Tio」 with a strange conviction.

「But, thinking it again it’s not that unreasonable of an idea right? You can even transform other race into black dragon and turn them into your subordinate. Controlling power-wise, that’s a similar thing with the “Dragon”’s authority right?」

『Goshujin-sama spoke like it’s so simple……well, I’m honestly happy that thou hath such high expectation on me though.』

「Yeah, I have high hopes for you. I also trust you.」

If it was only limited to dragon race, her controlling power was an overwhelming one that surpassed “Divine Word”.

She had the absolute advantage even if she was facing a being that possessed divinity.

It was possible if it was Tio. She would answer his expectation. Definitely. Then──

「You’ll be able to suppress even the “Dragon”. If it’s Tio then no doubt about it. No, it’s absolutely so.」

『As I thought, that art Goshujin-sama’s final objective.』

Does it mean the Dragon true power could destroy the universe? or that just how powerfull he could become?

Tio test subject , Myu's future:

Yes, Tio was able to use gravity magic wasn’t because she had conquered Great Dungeon Raisen. She learned it with the same method that previously broke Kouki, made him fainted in agony, and ascended to heaven in order to learn regeneration magic.

「As I thought, a test sub──Tio who can use sublimation-soul-regeneration magic beforehand definitely had easier time in making the magic latched on you.」

『Just now, didst thee almost say test subject?』

「I want to find out the effect of aptitude. Both Amanogawa and Tio have high magic aptitude, so my next subject will be someone with low magic aptitude.」

『It sounds like, I’m the test subject for the second stage experiment though……say, Goshujin-sama. Thou carried out the experiment after establishing its safety correct? It’s fine for me to believe in thee correct?』

「……I already have all the age of god magic after all. Someone with low magic aptitude that won’t break from just some damage. And also one who doesn’t has all of the age of god magic……fumu」

『Run awayyyyy! Shiaaa, run away fast immediatelyyyy-』

「Then eventually, being able to plant magic power too into a subject who doesn’t have any magic power. That’ll be even better. With that the new technique will be completed.」

『Is it Myuu!? Art thou talking about Myuu!? Now then that must be thy objective from the start isn’t it!? To not care even if all of us became sacrifice to achieve that! This damn mad papa scientist-』

 and

『Fufu, I couldst not helped it. After all it hath been a long time since I couldst stretch out mine wings to mine heart’s content. I also like earth’s sky but, it’s just a liiitle bit noisy for me. Moreover──』

She loved flying through the night sky while gazing at the lights of the city but, the sky of earth was covered with electronic webs that were outside of human’s vision spectrum and planes coming and going incessantly. Although there were a lot of ways to slip through them all, it seemed the sky there was a bit stuffy for Tio. Emotion-wise she even felt that it was a “cramped sky”.

Can she sense it?

That's definitely odd. But it sounds like expanding it infinitely will make it worse. Also unless he's using the energy for something that consumes at the same rate the energy produced there will always be excess.

The size and shape of The Miniature Garden :

『By the way, Goshujin-sama. How big art the size of the Miniature Garden currently?』

「In that case……ah? Size? It’s more or less, around the size of earth I guess. The expansion stopped there. The Miniature Garden itself is a spherical space. However, the construction is like the application of the flat earth theory.」

Whoops, Hajime thought while returning his mind to reality.

Willpower that was imported practically by root and branch from the earth’s King Tree plus unlimited magic power.

The amount of energy was overflowing. If automatic brake wasn’t applied to the expansion, the “Miniature Garden” would expand without end. And so for the time being, Hajime kept the size to be similar to some degree with earth as the model.

However, it didn’t mean there was a spherically-shaped land like a planet. The sphere in the end was nothing more than the shape of the space.

At the center of the spherical space was the Treasure Tree. The “surface” part when the space was split into hemisphere state was the land. That was the whole picture of the “Miniature Garden”.

And so, the sky became lower the further one went toward the edge. Below the land there was also a vast space where there was nothing in the shape of hemisphere.

That was just for the time being though.

and it's still expanding: (reference to Patema Inverted)

Ahead of their gazes was also one of the possibilities of this world.

The outlandish, but grandly amazing sight that showed the “end” of this world.

It was ground. A wall of ground was towering up until far above.

It wasn’t in the sense of a mountain towering up. It also wasn’t in the sense of them being in a valley and looking up to a cliff.

Just as the words stated, it was like the ground got bent in the middle and continued on vertically. The trees were growing straight toward them, in other words they were lengthening horizontally. The tree leaves also weren’t falling down, but falling perpendicularly toward the ground they were growing from. The gravitational direction was changing.

「I’ve gotten the report, but it’s amazing seeing it directly like this.」

「Even though the space’s expansion hath stopped, the energy flowing in from the Treasure Tree art making the ground growing. And the result, the ground art expanding to above and below along the spatial barrier……it seems.」

「Yeah. At this rate we might be able to see a sky of reversed ground after several years.」

「Just like a colony in SF anime that Goshujin-sama like to watch, is it?」

「Yeah that.」

Just like how a plant’s ivy or root would extend up a rock or building or wall and kept growing to above direction, “Miniature Garden” too would one day became a spherical land like earth.

However, it would become a unique planet that contained life within its inner side rather than its outer side.

The created land was made so ore that generated gravitational field was included in it, so there was no doubt that one day it would also be possible to walk on the ceiling.

Like that the two were enjoying the scene that they had never seen before in any other worlds.

「New life might also be birthed wouldst not it?」

Tio muttered such thing. She said it with a voice that was filled with implication.

「I guess. The possibility of this world is limitless. If that’ll happen then I’m looking forward to it.」

Future generation:

「Indeed. We wish to have children one day. And, if we wouldst have children then it wouldst be great to have them in the same timing. Because it wouldst be desirable for our children to spend the same time together as much as possible.」

「I see……」

「The problem art, “when” art that “one day” wouldst come.」

「And the conclusion?」

「At the very least it wouldst be good for it to happen after graduating from university. That was our conclusion.」

「I see?」

 

[Community_Gamer]

It's scattered all over the chapter.

Tio's potential :

Alright but like no specific flight speed feats right?

Does it mean the Dragon true power could destroy the universe? or that just how powerfull he could become?

Sounds like either DRAGON can do so or the potential of dragon power is that high.

Tio test subject , Myu's future:

Huh. I wonder if he has a larger project in mind.. This seems like a preliminary step. I wonder if he wants to be able to reverse the process so he can take away someone's AM. Or if hell Tsukiyomi the world and do it everyone all at once.

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Can she sense it?

Seems like it.

The size and shape of The Miniature Garden :


and it's still expanding: (reference to PatemaI Inverted)

Interesting.

Future generation:

Hajime gonna BUSY. Also at the same time is a terrible idea.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Alright but like no specific flight speed feats right?

It's just her reaching supersonic speed using gravity and shapeshifting while preforming air fighters maneuvers.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Sounds like either DRAGON can do so or the potential of dragon power is that high.

No wonder he is dangerous, it would be cool if Myu befriend it.

Huh. I wonder if he has a larger project in mind.. This seems like a preliminary step. I wonder if he wants to be able to reverse the process so he can take away someone's AM. Or if hell Tsukiyomi the world and do it everyone all at once.

Maybe, I mean we don't even know what's the threat in this Arc.

Interesting.

Can Hajime get tier 5-B or Low 4-C(pseudo sun) from it or for the amount of energy he can create and manipulate?

Also Enti can sense everything withing the Miniature Garden except when dragons and demons created a spatial gap in order to fight for territory .

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Hajime gonna BUSY. Also at the same time is a terrible idea.

His answere was that they will have children in less than 4 years. Why is it a terrible idea? (Hajime's children will be SCPs)

 

[Community_Gamer]

It's just her reaching supersonic speed using gravity and shapeshifting while preforming air fighters maneuvers.

They really got to stop with the supersonic bs

 

[Community_Gamer]

No wonder he is dangerous, it would be cool if Myu befriend it.

She might

Maybe, I mean we don't even know what's the threat in this Arc.

There's currently no arc yet I guess

Can Hajime get tier 5-B or Low 4-C(pseudo sun) from it or for the amount of energy he can create and manipulate?

Technically but it wouldn't be under AP since there's no precedent for combat purposes yet.

Also Enti can sense everything withing the Miniature Garden except when dragons and demons created a spatial gap in order to fight for territory .

I lowkey forgot who Enti is but that's impressive sensory capability although kind overshadowed several sensory or just manipulation feats.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I lowkey forgot who Enti is but that's impressive sensory capability although kind overshadowed several sensory or just manipulation feats.

Enti is the wind spirit from Lutria world, as the goddess of the treasure tree she can sense the whole Miniature Garden.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Technically but it wouldn't be under AP since there's no precedent for combat purposes yet.

What about Shia shaking the Miniature Garden?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Do you think Hajime could prevent the heat death of the universe ?

 

[Community_Gamer]

What about Shia shaking the Miniature Garden?

I mean it doesn't sound more impressive than her previous world shaking feats

 

[Community_Gamer]

Do you think Hajime could prevent the heat death of the universe ?

Potentially

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

BTW, the land inside the Miniature Garden follow the flat earth theory, and we have ground growing along the spherical barrier, It's a flat world as the center with both upper and lower lands, that mean it will eventually become a hollow planet.

How do you think the transition between day and night happen?

 

[Community_Gamer]

BTW, the land inside the Miniature Garden follow the flat earth theory, and we have ground growing along the spherical barrier, It's a flat world as the center with both upper and lower lands, that mean it will eventually become a hollow planet.

How do you think the transition between day and night will happen ?

Idk

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

With the new info about Myu and A.M. this could happen for real

「It’s better for papa to think, that you won’t be able to escape forever nano.」

「……」

She said such a thing.

Hajime thought. In this five years, Yue’s magic, Shia’s taijutsu and war hammer art, Tio’s whip art, Kaori’s twin swords art, Shizuku’s Yaegashi-style, and then, Hajime’s gun-kata were all learned by Myuu at a high level. Originally, the sea dweller race didn’t have a body that was particularly excellent in battle, yet regardless of that Myuu had achieved all those.

That was surely because all the cheat characters around her taught Myuu their essence to her without sparing anything, and Myuu who trusted and adored those girls from the bottom of her heart was seriously working hard, but even with those factors, Myuu’s learning rate could still be praised without reserve.

Perhaps because of that, Hajime hallucinated, of his own figure that was being held down by Myuu even after he used all the methods in his possession and yet he still got outdone……

(No, no way that could be……)

「Nmyu?」

With a surprising switching speed, her bewitching expression of just now had gone somewhere, Myuu had returned to the usual innocent Myuu with her tilting her head, that appearance……

For some reason, it caused Hajime to shudder with a sudden shaking. ch 192

 

[Community_Gamer]

With the new info about Myu and A.M. this could happen for real

I really hope not. It'd be pretty degenerate and also realistically Hajime would be far stronger in every aspect. He'd have to holding back massively....which is something he'd likely due

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I really hope not. It'd be pretty degenerate and also realistically Hajime would be far stronger in every aspect. He'd have to holding back massively....which is something he'd likely due

I don't think the author will do something like that.

A grown up Myu must be realy OP, and the only time Hajime dief was when Myu "hugged" him after he regain his sanity, she definitely got that plot armor on her side.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

In Hajime 3rd key: resistance to darkness manipulation is missing.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Miniature Garden started as a disk and expanded to reach the edge of the spatial sphere that resemble Earth in size.

Does it mean the the distance between the edges of the Miniature Garden is the diameter of Earth?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Miniature Garden started as a disk and expanded to reach the edge of the spatial sphere that resemble Earth in size.

Does it mean the the distance between the edges of the Miniature Garden is the diameter of Earth?

Probably

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Probably

I remember Expectro calculating the length of Tortus(the continent), Does it help prove that it's a large planet?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Who else is sick of the verse being stuck in Tier 5?

 

[pfate17]

In fact, he went through excruciatingly terrible experiences because of it, like being hit with a terrible headache and his body having a violent attack like a fish that was thrown onto the land, the attack was too much and his body broke down and had to be revived. , becoming a cripple who could do nothing but laugh dyufufufu , returning to Kouki's past when he had just been summoned to Tortus
If Hajime made Kouki return to the state (level) before he was a summoner in Tortus, how did he make him return to his current state? Canceled the effect of the spell? Did the process go back?

 

[pfate17]

Who else is sick of the verse being stuck in Tier 5?

This should change at the end of the work, I don't think Hajime will want to keep the dragon seal, the last arc will occur with the dragon breaking free of the seal in some way. Perhaps to ensure the safety of their future children, they will decide to deal with all the current problems and this will lead Hajime and Yue to Ehit's world.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Who else is sick of the verse being stuck in Tier 5?

Bruh why do you care? Especially when hax, resistance, speed are far more important.

 

[Community_Gamer]

In fact, he went through excruciatingly terrible experiences because of it, like being hit with a terrible headache and his body having a violent attack like a fish that was thrown onto the land, the attack was too much and his body broke down and had to be revived. , becoming a cripple who could do nothing but laugh dyufufufu , returning to Kouki's past when he had just been summoned to Tortus
If Hajime made Kouki return to the state (level) before he was a summoner in Tortus, how did he make him return to his current state? Canceled the effect of the spell? Did the process go back?

What is even happening here?

 

[Noneless21]

Who else is sick of the verse being stuck in Tier 5?

You, only you

Because who cares anyway

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Bruh why do you care? Especially when hax, resistance, speed are far more important.

You, only you

Because who cares anyway

Just for matches .

What is even happening here?

He is quoting the part that mention what Kouki experienced as a rest subject for the A.M. artifact until he got time magic.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

In fact, he went through excruciatingly terrible experiences because of it, like being hit with a terrible headache and his body having a violent attack like a fish that was thrown onto the land, the attack was too much and his body broke down and had to be revived. , becoming a cripple who could do nothing but laugh dyufufufu , returning to Kouki's past when he had just been summoned to Tortus
If Hajime made Kouki return to the state (level) before he was a summoner in Tortus, how did he make him return to his current state? Canceled the effect of the spell? Did the process go back?

when you're quoting something click the option(3 dots) above then click the quotation mark.

 

[pfate17]

What is even happening here?

Hajime is trying to apply the process that gives regeneration magic (in the same way it is done in dungeons) to Kouki

 

[Community_Gamer]

Just for matches .

I take the narrative integrity of verse far above its supposed scaling. For example, I love the Umineko manga but despise the VN because its riddled with cringe "scaling buzz words/phrases" which are extremely out of place btw. They shove cosmology and scaling into your face rather than develop naturally.

Basically I want a fantastic story where I don't have to think about scaling if I don't want to.

He is quoting the part that mention what Kouki experienced as a rest subject for the A.M. artifact until he got time magic.

I kinda got that but where does the exert end? Also by time magic I assume he just has the usual restoration magic.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I kinda got that but where does the exert end? Also by time magic I assume he just has the usual restoration magic

The same thing, right?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

『It’s the power of a monster that couldst destroy not only a planet but even the universe thou realize? Normally, nobody wouldst dare to think that, I couldst also do the same thing!』

Sounds like either DRAGON can do so or the potential of dragon power is that high.

Is it refering to Dragon(Jormungandr) encircling Midgard?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Is it refering to Dragon(Jormungandr) encircling Midgard?

Potentially but Jormungandr can also be interpreted encircle all 9 realms as well.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Potentially but Jormungandr can also be interpreted encircle all 9 realms as well.

You sure? It's literally called the midgard serpent. In the myth they thought it keep the water of Midgard(flat world) from spilling like a bowl. Didn't the DRAGON have some control over water?
(incase we gonna talk about this, I only mentioned it because it sounded interesting)

 

[Community_Gamer]

The same thing, right?

Fundamental but most use it for "healing" and attacking via casuality manipulation or looking into the past (except Shea ofc). Oh I guess Ehit, Yue, and Kaori also use it for Godspeed.

But no one is really doing much else with it. It'd be nice to see some serious innovation on time mavic since it can be the most OP and versatile of them. I'd like the same treatment for Metamorphosis (like the stuff Tio did against Fried) and Spirit magic (less on the soul stuff but mind and energy aspects).

 

[Community_Gamer]

You sure? It's literally called the midgard serpent. They thought it keep the water of Midgard(fkat world) from spilling like a bowl. Didn't the DRAGON have some control over water?
(incase we gonna talk about this, I only mentioned it because it sound interesting)

Yeah that's definitely the more accepted and consistent interpretation.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

But no one is really doing much else with it. It'd be nice to see some serious innovation on time mavic since it can be the most OP and versatile of them. I'd like the same treatment for Metamorphosis (like the stuff Tio did against Fried) and Spirit magic (less on the soul stuff but mind and energy aspects).

Wish someone use godspeed to make time 0 and get infinite speed, or use time magic to look into other timelines. Spirit magic can help someone enter dreams and space magic can be use to create pocket dimension, but we never see much of it.

Too much wasted potential.

Yeah that's definitely the more accepted and consistent interpretation.

The most interesting part is that the DRAGON was fighting from the grave (dead and half sealed) .
(The DRAGON's shadow is his astral projection)