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Arceus: The Jewel of Inconsistency
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When everyone agrees but the CRT isn't applied.
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Yep.
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Nope.
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Yes, we need the keys
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this would give the avatars type 9, right?
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Yes, it would.
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yo what happened to low 1-c arceus
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The Avatars would be 2-C, not Low 2-C.
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That's a discussion for another thread see Kepekley23's last comment on this thread for context.Silentpixels said:
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because that would be too easy and straight forwardLavcore said:
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Avatar Arceus shouldn't have: Abstract Existence (Type 1), Avatar Creation, Higher-Dimensional Existence, Large Size (Type 9), and Non-coporeal.
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i'd prefer to wait on that stuff until kep's Low 1-C revision is done
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So when is this getting applied?
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Ok, who do we have to call to apply this?
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Looking up, we already have Kep and Cal. Who else?
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Ok, we have to contact them.
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Alright since I've been summoned I'll be the party pooper and ask the things I never got an answer to before.
So we used to have avatars and true form keys for the CT unless we decided that it wasn't a thing and removed it. Now we're doing it again.
And I must ask: Why is that? What are the proofs for the CT being these multiversal abstract beings that possesses many lower avatars?
This is not meant to be conscending btw, I'm legitmately wondering. Because outside of VSBW I've almost never seen this interpretation of the CT. Most other websites (or hell, just other fan circles in general, even non-vs debating) don't seem to consider the CT to be multiversal entities and just universal ones.
Basically I'm asking for scans, quotes or explanations for the CT having avatars of themselves. Because I never understood why we treated it like this.
So we used to have avatars and true form keys for the CT unless we decided that it wasn't a thing and removed it. Now we're doing it again.
And I must ask: Why is that? What are the proofs for the CT being these multiversal abstract beings that possesses many lower avatars?
This is not meant to be conscending btw, I'm legitmately wondering. Because outside of VSBW I've almost never seen this interpretation of the CT. Most other websites (or hell, just other fan circles in general, even non-vs debating) don't seem to consider the CT to be multiversal entities and just universal ones.
Basically I'm asking for scans, quotes or explanations for the CT having avatars of themselves. Because I never understood why we treated it like this.
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"Dialga is the embodiment of time"
"Time fills the entire multiverse"
Yeah but like. We see many Dialgas. That logic only works if there is only one (in which case yeah it would have to be the embodiment of time on a multiversal scale).
I get that we explain it here via the logic that these are all just avatars of the greater Dialga. But like I said, I want scans/quotes that explains this Dialga vs Multi-Dialga thing going on, so to speak. Because it does sound rather baseless as it is.
"Time fills the entire multiverse"
Yeah but like. We see many Dialgas. That logic only works if there is only one (in which case yeah it would have to be the embodiment of time on a multiversal scale).
I get that we explain it here via the logic that these are all just avatars of the greater Dialga. But like I said, I want scans/quotes that explains this Dialga vs Multi-Dialga thing going on, so to speak. Because it does sound rather baseless as it is.
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Don't have scans immediately with me, but IIRC jewel of life shows the Creation Trio's dimensions being larger than the multiverse and the CT are also stated to embody their whole dimension, so
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Yeah but like. No.
The Jewel of Life shows a universe. It shows the main universe, Dialga and Palkia's dimensions above it, the Distortion World next to it and Arceus' world in the center of it all, which is indeed bigger than the rest of the other dimensions combined. But nowhere does it state that the main universe is the entire multiverse. Jewel of Life doesn't even acknowledge the existence of other universes.
If anything Jewel of Life contradicts this idea, as the entire shown cosmology is there to support the one main universe, with no mention of these dimensions having anything to do with alternate timelines.
The Jewel of Life shows a universe. It shows the main universe, Dialga and Palkia's dimensions above it, the Distortion World next to it and Arceus' world in the center of it all, which is indeed bigger than the rest of the other dimensions combined. But nowhere does it state that the main universe is the entire multiverse. Jewel of Life doesn't even acknowledge the existence of other universes.
If anything Jewel of Life contradicts this idea, as the entire shown cosmology is there to support the one main universe, with no mention of these dimensions having anything to do with alternate timelines.
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k well i tried
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