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Arceus: The Jewel of Inconsistency

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Pretty sure another thread disputed this.

Unless it's some contradicted tertiary canon, I'm almost completely sure that everytime the CT's been killed, they stayed dead.

Also, even if they came back, one would need proof it was something more than resurrection or even mere Regenerationn...
 
Its more like USUM has multiple avatars appearing in the game, w/o game mechanics factoring in.
 
I don't remember the CT dying, ever. I do remember multiple instances of Arceus ragdolling them/knocking them out, though.
 
Lavcore said:
hmm now what about avatar arceus's AE? i read an interesting theory that the belt(ring? who cares) it wears allows it to interact with the world in a physical form, thoughts?
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^
 
Kepekley23 said:
They died in Mystery Dungeon (or were going to, anyway)
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they didn't tho

the only thing close is Primal Diaga being time paradoxed, but thats more because of that piece of time being erased away
 
i agree with low 2c avatar and 2B true form

can someone explain me why low1c for original spirit?
 
Tyri456 said:
i agree with low 2c avatar and 2B true form

can someone explain me why low1c for original spirit?
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The Original Spirit is formless chaos that transcends the concepts of space and time.
 
It's curious how a CRT that was initially about type 3 AE lead to a ton of characters losing type 1 AE, It can be so difficult keeping track of threads.
 
I see, scaling from darkrai, my bad then.

Didn't arceus arleady trascend the concept of space/time? also, if they are 2B how could the original spirit be low1c if the multiverse isn't considered infinite?

Characters who can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model
 
The multiverse's size is irrelevant in this case. But, as I said, I'll upgrade him later once I'm done dealing with all the backlog.
 
Overlord775 said:
@Lav
Nothing but wild fan speculation, there's nothing pointing at it being the case
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alright but would avatar arceus have AE or would it not?
 
because he doesn't qualify for the standards low1C or am I wrong?

-one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (low2C) -one can also qualify for its lower end by creating and/or destroying an uncountably infinite number of universes

this is the lower end and it could be arguably 2A.

The Original Spirit is formless chaos that transcends the concepts of space and time.

that was the reason used, and if the cosmology is 2B, is still 2B.
why putting him on low1C?
even if for some reason is infinitely more powerful than arceus would be 2A, but it's never stated tho.
 
Someone infinitely more powerful than Arceus wouldn't be 2-A. Nothing in Pokémon can possibly be 2-A.
 
if nothing can be possibly be 2A, why someone who trascend space/time on a cosmology 2B would be low1C? I can't really understand the reasons.
 
Tyri456 said:
if nothing can be possibly be 2A, why someone who trascend space/time on a cosmology 2B would be low1C? I can't really understand the reasons.
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Because you don't need a 2-A cosmology to be Low 1-C. You just need to be infinitely above a 4D cosmology.
 
Ionliosite said:
Someone infinitely more powerful than Arceus wouldn't be 2-A. Nothing in Pokémon can possibly be 2-A.
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Something infinitely more powerful than Arceus would, by definition, be 2-A. Any Tier 2 value (except maybe, and big maybe here, Low 2-C's) times infinity = 2-A.
 
wasn't it said that being infintely more powerful than a 2-C does not make you 2-A?
 
It has been stated by people that the gap between 2-C and 2-B was infinite, but that was a misunderstanding. The gap between 2-C and 2-B is actually considered unquantifiable. The gap isn't considered infinite, just not possible to quantify due to the gap between universes.
 
found it.

tiering system note 1:

"For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A."
 
While I stand corrected, that is completely illogical, and does not comply with math.

In fact, I've now made a CRT to get the note changed/removed.
 
Yeah, I've been told by Admins that it was only unquantifiable, not infinite.

Someone 500x 2-C isn't considered 2-B, due to the gap between universes being considered unquantifiable, which I assume is the same logic for being 2-A by being infinitely 2-C.

I think there is argument for someone infinitely 2-B to be 2-A though, considering you prove you breach the gap between upwards to thousands of universes already. If you are infinitely that, it's reasonable to claim 2-A.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Yeah, I've been told by Admins that it was only unquantifiable, not infinite.
Someone 500x 2-C isn't considered 2-B, due to the gap between universes being considered unquantifiable, which I assume is the same logic for being 2-A by being infinitely 2-C.
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The first part is true. You can't just multiply from Low 2-C to 2-C or 2-C to 2-B.

However, the latter part deals with the whole infinite thing, that makes the size of the gaps between spacetime continuums completely and utterly irrelevant (unless the gaps are infinite/higher dimensional, in which case, how come the character isn't already 2-A or Tier 1 via breaching at least one?).
 
I suppose you have a point there. I guess the idea is proving that you can consistently breach that gap upwards to a massive number (thousands), whereas 2-C would be hundreds.

I guess you could say 2-C is like...busting a 'cluster' of universes whereas 2-B is busting 'multiple clusters' of universes, but you can't really prove or define a size of a cluster or even if clusters of universes exist within the fiction.

This should prove interesting to see an explanation of, then.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I suppose you have a point there. I guess the idea is proving that you can consistently breach that gap upwards to a massive number (thousands), whereas 2-C would be hundreds.
I guess you could say 2-C is like...busting a 'cluster' of universes whereas 2-B is busting 'multiple clusters' of universes, but you can't really prove or define a size of a cluster or even if clusters of universes exist within the fiction.

This should prove interesting to see an explanation of, then.
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Yeah, I see it the same way.
 
I think Arceus durability description needs more details. multi-type doesn't really scream about 2-B durability
 
yeah it's durability section makes no sense a better description would be this:

"Should be comparable to it's ap and fought the creation trio without taking noticeable damage"
 
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