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Here:Then grab them, because if the wording is extremely general than i'd argue it would negate Mind Manipulation just fine.
What azontr saidScans of The Idea of Evil being able to interact with Abstractions?
Holy wank. This has never happened. And it would be impossible too, Alucard has never been shown to affect the mind of a being as complex as FemtoAlucard can also appear within the literal mind / Psyche of Femto to alter Femto's dream if he so desires.
Femto is an abstract being that gathers the consciousness of the mind of all mankind throughout history. Hellsing has nothing similar. Except if you show me Schrodinger appearing in billions of thoughts at once and abstract things like negativitySchrodinger can appear within the mind of others as shown with Zorin.
What? No. It can change the history of anything in the world, not only of mankind. Ideia of Evil formed the history of Berserk until the arrival of the eclipse, and you can be sure that there are not only humans up to that pointalso The Idea of Evil is only capable of altering Human History, something that no longer would include Alucard.
This isnt a proof about mindhax. Like, okay, he can **** beings from his own body, but where is the proof that this is applicable to other beings? Besides, Alucard affecting non-existent souls is completely differently from affecting the concept of negativityAlucard has NPI that allows him to interact with souls, minds and thoughts like Schrodinger and the non existent souls & minds within himself after being erased from existence.
Holy Mother of blatant Projection. This has literally happened in the form of Schrodinger's appearing within the mind of Seras and Zorin.Holy wank. This has never happened. And it would be impossible too, Alucard has never been shown to affect the mind of a being as complex as Femto
Them appearing within things like negativity has nothing to do with Abstract Existence? That ability is literally just Multi-locaction which is irrelevant in this match-up since Alucard can just trail behind via Subjective Reality & Immersion. And for one they're the same exact type of Abstract, both are thought based in nature.Femto is an abstract being that gathers the consciousness of the mind of all mankind throughout history. Hellsing has nothing similar. Except if you show me Schrodinger appearing in billions of thoughts at once and abstract things like negativity
I find it genuinely funny you say that I'm wankint then proceed to say that Femto is a conceptual being. Affecting Femto doesn't require you to effect the concept of Negativity. They're their own beings, they're simply stored within Alucard and his existence was erased and paradox'd into nothingness. Yet he's still able to effect said erased souls, mind and lives.This isnt a proof about mindhax. Like, okay, he can **** beings from his own body, but where is the proof that this is applicable to other beings? It affects non-existent souls completely differently from affecting the concept of negativity
I don't remember that at all. The only thing I remember is Schrodinger telling Zorin that The Major found a new soldier and that she is going to be left to dieThis has literally happened in the form of Schrodinger's appearing within the mind of Seras and Zorin.
Have you forgotten that Idea of Evil is literally formed by people's negative thoughts? It is formed by malice, the negativity of thoughts, the negativity of what people believe about something. This is what Idea of Evil is, and this is what the God Hands are made up of and are part of. Multilocation is only part of his abstract existenceThem appearing within things like negativity has nothing to do with Abstract Existence?
Oh yeah, I forgot that Femto also has subjective reality.Alucard can just trail behind via Subjective Reality & Immersion
Why do you think it has abstract existence? As the profile itself says, the God Hand are beings formed by thoughts, the malicious and negativity. This is further explored when Idea of Evil first appearsFemto is a conceptual being
He literally appeared within the mind of Seras whenever Zorin was forcing her to relive her own memories. Hence why Schrodinger is both everywhere and nowhere, he isn't only limited to shit that exist physically.I don't remember that at all. The only thing I remember is Schrodinger telling Zorin that The Major found a new soldier and that she is going to be left to die
Just because the God Hand were made by The Idea of Evil doesn't mean they share his conceptual existence. They literally only have Type 1 Abstract Existence in the form of thoughts, Femto nor do any of the God Hand's have Conceptual Existence so you can feel free to make a CRT or drop the argument.Have you forgotten that Idea of Evil is literally formed by people's negative thoughts? It is formed by malice, the negativity of thoughts, the negativity of what people believe about something. This is what Idea of Evil is, and this is what the God Hands are made up of and are part of. Multilocation is only part of his abstract existence
Cool, doesn't help him put Alucard down.Oh yeah, I forgot that Femto also has subjective reality
Bullshit. They do not embody the concept of negativity. And I quote "They exist everywhere within this world. Any place where negative human thoughts swirl into a large concentration. But at the same time it can be said that as a huge body of thought."Why do you think it has abstract existence? As the profile itself says, the God Hand are beings formed by thoughts, the malicious and negativity. This is further explored when Idea of Evil first appears
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What do you make of the scans I sent?Here:
The idea of evil manipulates Destiny to produce all of the things that make mankind suffer.
The Idea of Evil weaves the destiny of every man.
The Idea of Evil weaves all of Griffith's circumstances, and the people he has met, all to make sure that he would activate the Eclipse and become a member of the God Hand.
These are the general explanations/feats.
I just woke up, give me a sec boo .What do you make of the scans I sent?
Common Azontr being a headass mf for no reason moment:We were debating whether or not Griffith's hax was enough to neg Alucard's, which is why I sent scans on the Idea of Evil's shit, you dork.
Kys. (Keep yourself safe)Common Azontr being a headass mf for no reason moment:
I was voicing my thoughts in generalWe were debating whether or not Griffith's hax was enough to neg Alucard's, which is why I sent scans on the Idea of Evil's shit, you dork.
Kys (Keep yourself safe)I was voicing my thoughts in general
I personally think it could as well, but, I was informed it depends on how broad the ability is? Which is why I'm confused on whether or not Griffith can just go "lol I win u lose".The answer is probably imo, but it can't exactly neg that regen so the fight likely doesn't go anywhere anyway
Nobody is arguing Femto can negate godly regeneration, Gin. Obviously that would be a No Limits Fallacy. But even if it can't, it'd still be an inconclusive match, as neither can put the other down due to varying factors.
I personally think it could as well, but, I was informed it depends on how broad the ability is? Which is why I'm confused on whether or not Griffith can just go "lol I win u lose".
Given how absolutely insane, all-encompassing and ultra-specific it is in context, to where it affects the whole of the world, controls every detail of someone's life and will have things happen at the exact moment (The obvious example is Bahelits in general showing up to someone at the exact moment they need it, even if they lost it or never had it in the first place), at the exact right time even when things would seem impossible, this should affect Alucard just fine and enable it so Femto can't "lose".I personally think it could as well, but, I was informed it depends on how broad the ability is? Which is why I'm confused on whether or not Griffith can just go "lol I win u lose".
Berserk profiles be kinda ass ngl.Type of card whenever he profile doesn't even reflect that.
Ahhhh okay yeah nvm that makes sense then, my Bad.My wording was... confusing, then. By that, I meant that he would be able to null Alucard's offensive abilities, making it an incon, not that he could suddenly neg his regeneration. I should've clarified that wasn't what I intended to say.
Wrong, he's never used it on large grounds.i Feel like alucard only uses mind hax when there is multiple people..
Silly Chariot, mismatches are just inconclusives that the mods don't want to put on the scoreboard.pretty sure this is inconclusive or even a mismatch due to funny meme "i cant actually lose" hax but lacking any way to put Alucard down beyond just talking good because mid-godly go brrr plus the issue of Femto's self on the astral plane, which I don't think Alucard has the range to interact with, though I guess that depends on what part of the story this "Femto" we're using is in
Alucard never used mind hax in a 1v1Ahhhh okay yeah nvm that makes sense then, my Bad.
Wrong, he's never used it on large grounds.
Uh, again wrong. He mind haxxed the bellhop boy at the hotel, and he did it 2 more times against the Brazilian soldiers.Alucard never used mind hax in a 1v1
But you are so F.Griffith isn't Brazilian
Griffith isn't Brazilian
So you're voting incon?I can agree with Chariot's analysis. (Also with the fact Idea of Evil prolly shouldn't even have a profile since Miura basically retconned chapter 83)