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Alien X Dimensional Tiering

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Question 3: "Aren't #Naljians (26 Dimensional beings) the 2nd most powerful alien race just after Omnipotent Celestialsapiens? Aren't Celestialsapiens above dimensions (I mean they are not bound by dimensions)?

The universe is not fully explored so there is no way to give a definitive ranking of most-to-least powerful species. That said, in the known universe that has been revealed in BEN 10, the Naljians appear to be the second most powerful. But then again, there is a Nalijian Destructor, so they obviously aren't that powerful. Is there anyone else between them and the Celestialsapiens? Is there an entity or entities more powerful than Celetialsapiens? We have to keep some secrets and surprises for the future!!! For part two ― yes, CPs are extra-dimensional beings.

I know this discussion has come up before, but Man of Action didn't seem to try to debunk the idea that Naljians were 26-dimensional, while at the same time saying the Celestialsapiens are "extra-dimensional beings" in response to a question asking if they are above/"not bound by dimensions".
 
Well even playing Devils Advocate, this does not mean Alien X is 1-B. It COULD mean he is up to 1-B, just not outright. Plus, the answer is too vague to merit an upgrade. Not even 'possibly' can be pegged to this since it was just one answer while Alien X has consistently been shown to be Tier 2. Just...not tier 1. I am against, but I will follow for now.
 
I mean it is him saying Nalijians < Alien X. Though they haven't been ranked on the site but they are described be extra dimensional. Specifically hyperversial if 26 diminsional.
 
That is why I am asking here. The Naljian Destructor landed on Earth incidentally while the Naljian and her daughter were on an "afternoon excursion to lower dimensions". Meanwhile, the Celestialsapiens were established as existing and being born outside the Universe proper (with another universe with physics Paradox calls "counter-intuitive" being pointed out on the trip to the Celestialsapien place of origin) in the Forge of Creation.
 
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Kukui is right, it is the one of the same reasons why Bill got downgraded iirc.

...Other then that statement was already vague to begin but putting that aside.

Being outside of the universe/ multiverse =/= Higher dimensions.

Or

Having extra dimensions does not always mean = higher dimensions.
 
I see. Still, the creators of the series did put the Celestialsapiens above the Naljians, a race able to perceive up to 26 dimensions (and likely are 26-D).
 
Catalyst75 said:
I see. Still, the creators of the series did put the Celestialsapiens above the Naljians, a race able to perceive up to 26 dimensions (and likely are 26-D).
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The bit I bolded doesnt even have evidence for it within itself either actually.

All we know about the Naljians is that they're higher dimensional but to an unknown extent. Nothing proves they are from the 26th dimension.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
That kinda directly contradicts the Naijians considering the Omnitrix a child's toy in it function and complexity
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Compared to the Naljian toy, it is, but it still allows Ben the ability to transform into an alien capable of recreating the universe and warping reality.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Catalyst75 said:
I see. Still, the creators of the series did put the Celestialsapiens above the Naljians, a race able to perceive up to 26 dimensions (and likely are 26-D).
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The bit I bolded doesnt even have evidence for it within itself either actually.
All we know about the Naljians is that they're higher dimensional but to an unknown extent. Nothing proves they are from the 26th dimension.
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Which is why I brought up the Q&A where they were mentioned in relation to Alien X, because being above the Naljians also means the Celestialsapiens are higher dimensional to an unknown extent.

In the Q&A, they didn't necessarily refute the question's assumption that the Naljians were 26 dimensional aliens, and the context of the Celestialsapiens being extradimensional, in relation to the question, was "are they above/not bound by dimensions", to which the answer was "yes".
 
I am pretty sure the guy who answered the question had no idea what the episode with the Naljians was about, since he just assumes the Naljian Destructor is a weapon made specifically to kill them due to its "name", while it was actually just the toy of a naljian kid in the episode itself.

So, yeah, I would take that statement with a grain of salt.
 
Naljians are currently an Unknown as of right now since when the mother said "only 26 dimensions that matter" there are hardly and sufficient evidence that confirms it. Also it is stated in their profile that if they couldn't perfectly replicate Gwen's mana blasts, then it is likely that they could mimic the powers of a Celestialsapien.

This should be closed.
 
MrLuk2000 said:
Naljians are currently an Unknown as of right now since when the mother said "only 26 dimensions that matter" there is hardly any sufficient evidence that confirms it. Also it is stated in their profile that if they couldn't perfectly replicate Gwen's mana blasts, then it is unlikely that they could mimic the powers of a Celestialsapien.
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Fixed this for you.

But yeah this should be closed.
 
The statement definitely refers to spatial dimensions and not existence outside the universe, going against Kukui's comment

But that's not enough since simple higher dimensionality is not proof of tier 1 ratings without a statement of qualitative superiority over lower dimensional beings
 
Andytrenom said:
The statement definitely refers to spatial dimensions and not existence outside the universe, going against Kukui's comment
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Where? Because this is not the first time this was brought up (pretty sure anyway) and it was agreed it wasnt in a higher-dimensional sense.
 
@Kukui They said there were 26 dimensions as opposed to the 3 dimensions that humans can observe and 26 dimensions is also a reference to a real life theory relating to dimensions. Dimension clearly means spatial dimension in this context, not universe.
 
That wasnt what I was referring to though. I wasnt denying that the Ben 10 verse had 26 spatial dimensions

What I was denying was the Naljians existing or living in 26-D space as nothing proves that is the case.
 
I agree with Kukui and Ultima. We need more specific in-universe clarifications for how powerful the Naljians and Celestialsapiens are.

The Man of Action member also did not seem to fully understand the question. Extra-dimensional does not remotely mean the same thing as qualitative superiority over all degrees of space and time.
 
That...is actually a good point. Dimensions in fiction often is a synonym for universe. It could just be 2-C. (I mean, I doubt I will still be fine with it but it is more managable then 1-B.)
 
@SinsofMan

True. It would be more in line with what they have actually shown at least.
 
@Ant

Andytrenom said:
@Kukui They said there were 26 dimensions as opposed to the 3 dimensions that humans can observe and 26 dimensions is also a reference to a real life theory relating to dimensions. Dimension clearly means spatial dimension in this context, not universe.
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They're spatial dimensions, however I still disagree with tier 1
 
Yes, I am strictly referring to the quoted answer from MoA in the first post.
 
Oh man... can't beleive this has been brought back up again.

We have no way to prove that Najilians are greater than Celestialsapiens. Second of all, the 'toy' hasn't shown evidence of trully replicating the abilities of the beings that it copies, so please stop saying that it can copy Alien X.

If it can't even shoot out Anodite Energy Disks, how in the world is it going to recreate the universe or turn back time?
 
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