Ainz vs Reinhard (rematch, non stomp)

[SatellaTheWoE]

Reinhard Van Astrea
vs
Ainz Ooal Gown
SBA
Speed equalized
Reinhard has prior knowledge
Starting distance 2 kms
Ainz is near Flugel Tree and Reinhard is approaching him
Before somebody comes along lemme explain why i made this again.
Reinhard although he can blitz has a chance of coming close to Ainz which would passively kill him thus ending in Reins loss
However ìts more likely that Reinhard would instead opt to nuke him from a distance which would end in Ainzs loss.
Since both have a wincon this isnt a stomp

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Starting this year off with a bang, Different match conditions but the same people. If Rein wins it becomes a 1-1

 

[DaReaperMan]

So basically you made the match purposely set up for one character to win?

Ain't that against the rules?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So basically you made the match purposely set up for one character to win?

Ain't that against the rules?

I just made a match and gave my 2 cents on the scenario, i also forgot to add this but Ainz has pre requisite knowledge about Reinhard so if he gets too close its an instant win for Ainz

 

[DaReaperMan]

I just made a match and gave my 2 cents on the scenario, i also forgot to add this but Ainz has pre requisite knowledge about Reinhard so if he gets too close its an instant win for Ainz

If your 2-cents on the scenario is "Well one character apsolutely ******* skullfucks the other but they have a minor chance of winning so It's not a stomp!" Then you've purposely made the match to be in one character's favor.

Also Ainz's auras ain't even on all the time and as such won't be considered automatically on for the match, so Reinhard just blitzes him and DOES stomp

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If your 2-cents on the scenario is "Well one character apsolutely ******* skullfucks the other but they have a minor chance of winning so It's not a stomp!" Then you've purposely made the match to be in one character's favor.

Also Ainz's auras ain't even on all the time and as such won't be considered automatically on for the match, so Reinhard just blitzes him and DOES stomp

1. Those are my current opinions and they are subject to change, i made the match for Goku with the same intentions. Its not against the rules to have opinions afterall

2. Thats only applicable for NW, in ygg he always kept it on and in a dangerous area against Reinhard he is most likely to keep it switched on especially when he knows its his weakness.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. Those are my current opinions and they are subject to change, i made the match for Goku with the same intentions. Its not against the rules to have opinions afterall

2. Thats only applicable for NW, in ygg he always kept it on and in a dangerous area against Reinhard he is most likely to keep it switched on especially when he knows its his weakness.

1. And they're still making a match with the express thought of one character winning.

2. How many scenes are there of Ainz in Yggdrasil? Like, what, 3-5? Like, 95% of the time he has his auras OFF in the new world. And the ladder is what we go with.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

1. And they're still making a match with the express thought of one character winning.

2. How many scenes are there of Ainz in Yggdrasil? Like, what, 3-5? Like, 95% of the time he has his auras OFF in the new world. And the ladder is what we go with.

1. Boboiboy vs Reinhard. Match made under specific conditions for boi to win. As long as one character wins and the other has a chanxe of winning its not a stomp nor is it wrong.
2. You are missing the point where i said that Ainz knows Reinhards weaknesses and is thus most likely going to keep it switched on.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. Boboiboy vs Reinhard. Match made under specific conditions for boi to win. As long as one character wins and the other has a chanxe of winning its not a stomp nor is it wrong.
2. You are missing the point where i said that Ainz knows Reinhards weaknesses and is thus most likely going to keep it switched on.

1. It's called a spite match. Making a match with the express purpose for one character to win is not allowed.

2. Ainz's thought-speed and perception speed is Supersonic+. Reinhard is FTL. Taking the low end of FTL and the high-end of Supersonic+, Reinhard is 175156.312625 times faster then Ainz can think, let alone react.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

1. It's called a spite match. Making a match with the express purpose for one character to win is not allowed.

2. Ainz's thought-speed and perception speed is Supersonic+. Reinhard is FTL. Taking the low end of FTL and the high-end of Supersonic+, Reinhard is 175156.312625 times faster then Ainz can think, let alone react.

1. Isnt spite for characters who have a massive difference between them? its not a spite becuz ainz has a good chance to win. All Rein needs to do is to decide cqc over nuke. There is a good arguement for Rein to go for cqc since thats what he intially started with against puck, same in wrath if, once again in arc 5, Ex 4 and so on.
2. Yet if Reinhard dies even once with his passives its practically over for him, Ainz can stop time, summon multiple soul eaters, use multiple death haxes and whatever else he has.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I did invite you so that you can present winconcs for Ainz afterall since i am not as informed on overlord as i am on re zero

 

[DaReaperMan]

1. Spite is for characters who have a massive difference between them, its not a spite becuz ainz has a good chance to win. All Rein needs to do is to decide cqc over nuke. There is a good arguement for Rein to go for cqc since thats what he intially started with against puck, same in wrath if, once again in arc 5, Ex 4 and so on.
2. Yet if Reinhard dies even once with his passives its practically over for him, Ainz can stop time, summon multiple soul eaters, use multiple death haxes and whatever else he has.

1. There IS a massive difference between them, just because you think there's some possibility of one character winning doesn't make it NOT spite.

2. I should rephrase that... Reinhard can attack ten, a hundred, a thousand times before Ainz can even process the information he's given, let alone make the thought he requires to put ANY aura up.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

1. There IS a massive difference between them, just because you think there's some possibility of one character winning doesn't make it NOT spite.

2. I should rephrase that... Reinhard can attack ten, a hundred, a thousand times before Ainz can even process the information he's given, let alone make the thought he requires to put ANY aura up.

Oh thats the problem, i assumed that since he had preemptive knowledge it would be on before the battle starts. Alright i will give Ainz some time to prepare, how does 2 mins before the battle starts sound

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Jokes aside how much time would he need to prepare for Reinhard?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh thats the problem, i assumed that since he had preemptive knowledge it would be on before the battle starts. Alright i will give Ainz some time to prepare, how does 2 mins before the battle starts sound

Jokes aside how much time would he need to prepare for Reinhard?

He doesn't. Ainz has literally nothing to handle an FTL dude, maybe if Delay magic would activate at Ainz's location the instant he's warped over he MIGHT be able to do what he did in the first thread, but we don't know if that's what happens or if it Casts where he was when he started Delay Magic.

Plus, this assumes Reinhard, with the knowledge that Ainz looks like a ******* Elder Lich big skeleton dude, will go for CQC 1/100 times instead of nuking him from where he starts.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He doesn't. Ainz has literally nothing to handle an FTL dude, maybe if Delay magic would activate at Ainz's location the instant he's warped over he MIGHT be able to do what he did in the first thread, but we don't know if that's what happens or if it Casts where he was when he started Delay Magic.

Plus, this assumes Reinhard, with the knowledge that Ainz looks like a ******* Elder Lich big skeleton dude, will go for CQC 1/100 times instead of nuking him from where he starts.

Thats unfair considering that in the last Ainz vs Rein match he basically had nothing that would help him survive. I dont even know if there was a possible wincon for Rein on tnat one. That wasnt spite? Ainz has more chances of winning here then Reinhard did in the last one.

I also mentioned how Reinhard is likely to go for cqc just looking at his performance previously, and how rarely he truly goes for nukes even with Reid drawn. There is also no given statistic on how likely Rein is to go for cqc and its definitely more than a 1/100 chance, i did even go so far as to say that he has a 3/10 chance of going for cqc

 

[DaReaperMan]

Thats unfair considering that in the last Ainz vs Rein match he basically had nothing that would help him survive. I dont even know if there was a possible wincon for Rein on tnat one. That wasnt spite? Ainz has more chances of winning here then Reinhard did in the last one.

I also mentioned how Reinhard is likely to go for cqc just looking at his performance previously, and how rarely he truly goes for nukes even with Reid drawn. There is also no given statistic on how likely Rein is to go for cqc and its definitely more than a 1/100 chance, i did even go so far as to say that he has a 3/10 chance of going for cqc

That was just a stomp really, Ainz opens with thought-based shit Reinhard can't do anything about there, but here, it's damn near the exact opposite.

Why would he not nuke somebody who looks like an Uber powerful magic caster? Cause that is exactly what Ainz looks like.

 

[Hanzozeroo]

Reinhard blink the verse

 

[DaReaperMan]

Reinhard blink the verse

More like slashes but close enough lol

 

[Dragonite007]

And an incorporeal being blink Reinhard

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

Lel, this is the third Ainz vs Rein thread you’ve made.

I’d advise to let it go already. You seem obsessed.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

That was just a stomp really, Ainz opens with thought-based shit Reinhard can't do anything about there, but here, it's damn near the exact opposite.

Why would he not nuke somebody who looks like an Uber powerful magic caster? Cause that is exactly what Ainz looks like.

Shouldnt that be removed from his profile then?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Lel, this is the third Ainz vs Rein thread you’ve made.

I’d advise to let it go already. You seem obsessed.

4th one will also come dw

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

Shouldnt that be removed from his profile then?

That match was so incidental, like if Ainz’s opening move isn’t to instantly bind Rein he’d get slashed.

And it just so happened that it’s in his character to do that shit, so the favor went to Ainz.

It‘s one of those whoever strikes first wins matches. If Ainz didn‘t optimally protect himself in-character you’d be saying how Rein won fairly for making the first determining move in-character.

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

4th one will also come dw

I wonder if it’s even allowed to continue making multiple threads that have already been concluded just to add or remove something on their pages.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

That match was so incidental, like if Ainz’s opening move isn’t to instantly bind Rein he’d get slashed.

And it just so happened that it’s in his character to do that shit, so the favor went to Ainz.

It‘s one of those whoever strikes first wins matches. If Ainz didn‘t optimally protect himself in-character you’d be saying how Rein won fairly for making the first determining move in-character.

The match was based on Ainzs thought based death haxes instantly killing Reinhard then using his passive death aura to keep him dead for a while. Stealing his sword so he cant matter nuke him etc etc. That was an utter stomp for Ainz

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

The match was based on Ainzs thought based death haxes instantly killing Reinhard then using his passive death aura to keep him dead for a while. Stealing his sword so he cant matter nuke him etc etc. That was an utter stomp for Ainz

No, that’s how it was concluded.

Not what it was based on.

Rein literally just had to swing his sword once to win, and the thread was going in the direction on how little hope Ainz had on winning.

Until it was realized he actually has a damn good shot at it.

You want a real stomp thread?

Look at Rein vs Goku. Goku literally has zero win-cons that he can achieve in-character. And a site admin stated that Goku just having a feasible wincon was enough for it. Despite how much of a clear stomp it was at that point with like zero chance for Goku.

Compare that to Rein who actually can win in-character since he was sent to kill Ainz and just needs to swing his sword once.

I’m pretty sure it’s not allowed to make thread after thread of a matchup to frame a win after it already reached it’s concluded result.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

No, that’s how it was concluded.

Not what it was based on.

Rein literally just had to swing his sword once to win, and the thread was going in the direction on how little hope Ainz had on winning.

Until it was realized he actually has a damn good shot at it.

You want a real stomp thread?

Look at Rein vs Goku. Goku literally has zero win-cons that he can achieve in-character. And a site admin stated that Goku just having a feasible wincon was enough for it. Despite how much of a clear stomp it was at that point with like zero chance for Goku.

Compare that to Rein who actually can win in-character since he was sent to kill Ainz and just needs to swing his sword once.

I’m pretty sure it’s not allowed to make thread after thread of a matchup to frame a win after it already reached it’s concluded result.

That swinging of his sword part is the problem, since he cant do so with Ainz having prior knowledge, extra time and his ability being thought based.

You can have multiple matchups of 2 characters under several different conditions. That is allowed

 

[DaReaperMan]

That swinging of his sword part is the problem, since he cant do so with Ainz having prior knowledge, extra time and his ability being thought based.

You can have multiple matchups of 2 characters under several different conditions. That is allowed

Equalize speed if you want to make the thought-based argument. Cause I think you're forgetting that Reinhard, at the barest lowball is 175156.312625 times faster then Ainz's everything, including his thoughts.

When these matches are obviously fishing for a W for one side, no, they aren't.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Equalize speed if you want to make the thought-based argument. Cause I think you're forgetting that Reinhard, at the barest lowball is 175156.312625 times faster then Ainz's everything, including his thoughts.

When these matches are obviously fishing for a W for one side, no, they aren't.

I am talking about the last thread being a demi stomp, If we equalize speed here and not give Ainz any prior knowledge what is likely to happen?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Now please reverse the prior knowledge, cause this is similar to the first thread

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

While i do want Reinhard to win, i want to keep it as ethical as possible. So now Reinhard has prior knowledge, a 2km distance start and the speed is equalized.

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

While i do want Reinhard to win, i want to keep it as ethical as possible. So now Reinhard has prior knowledge, a 2km distance start and the speed is equalized.

I think with these conditions a game of peek-a-boo ensues.

They both have the same attack range at tens of kilometers.

So Rein would throw his mana slash at the farthest possible range while running back, then Ainz dodges via teleportation.

We don’t know time-stops range, but the fight ends whenever Ainz decides to teleport close enough to where he can’t run back fast enough in time while in perfect unknowable and uses time-stop.

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

Though honestly he’d just use his summons for a time-stop while he leaves and observes from a distance.

But we don’t have a feat for one of his summons having it.

Who knows, maybe he goes to orbit to use time-stop and teleports down while Rein’s frozen.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think with these conditions a game of peek-a-boo ensues.

They both have the same attack range at tens of kilometers.

So Rein would throw his mana slash at the farthest possible range while running back, then Ainz dodges via teleportation.

We don’t know time-stops range, but the fight ends whenever Ainz decides to teleport close enough to where he can’t run back fast enough in time while in perfect unknowable and uses time-stop.

Reins nuke is homing though due to his blessings and should thus be able to follow Ainz and hit him.

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

Reins nuke is homing though due to his blessings and should thus be able to follow Ainz and hit him.

He could actively keep avoiding it, absorb it with black hole, paralyze it with temporal stasis, or screw with it’s effectiveness with wall of protection from arrows.

Doesn’t help much. He could teleport to Rein with his despair aura activated and kidnap him and his sword by just moving outside of its range anyway.

 

[Hanzozeroo]

what's stopping this ?

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

what's stopping this ?

It’s hard to understand what you’re talking about.

If you’re wondering if Rein can resist Ainz’s time-stop then the answer is he can’t.

Ainz’s time-stop is layered, it froze Zytl’qae who made itself immune to time-stop.

Rein also has zero resistance to death manipulation, it doesn’t exist in the RZ verse.

If you’re wondering if his mana slash can resist temporal stasis then there are no feats that it can resist any time-stopping power.

 

[Hanzozeroo]

It’s hard to understand what you’re talking about.

If you’re wondering if Rein can resist Ainz’s time-stop then the answer is he can’t.

Ainz’s time-stop is layered, it froze Zytl’qae who made itself immune to time-stop.

Rein also has zero resistance to death manipulation, it doesn’t exist in the RZ verse.

If you’re wondering if his mana slash can resist temporal stasis then there are no feats that it can resist any time-stopping power.

Then Ainz can just spam Time stop( he spam Time stop when against Zytl’qae) + death manipulation, pretty sure Ainz used it very often and Reinhard can't resist it.

 

[Antarctic_Icecream]

Then Ainz can just spam Time stop( he spam Time stop when against Zytl’qae) + death manipulation, pretty sure Ainz used it very often and Reinhard can't resist it.

Yeah, he used it a bunch of times to make Zytl’qae into a “Christmas Tree”.

With him creating meteors and attack spells to decorate him with before blowing him up.