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Ace vs Sanji
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Why?
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Much faster, Ace's flames literally can not hurt him due to vastly superior heat and heat resistance, much better armament and observation, much higher durability and more
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Fair enough.
Could you stop with the Sanji heat bullshit? It got downgraded nearly a month ago: https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-sanjis-lightning-downgrade.139691/ you were on the thread!
Maybe Observation, but in the Ace novel it was stated that Ace overrelied on Armament by Thatch, and Sanji has no Armament feats at all plus Ace has conqueror's so he wins on the Haki front.
Ace fought against Jinbe for five days and then withstood an attack from Whitebeard immediately afterwards. So even if Sanji is tougher to injure it won't make a difference against Ace's far greater stamina.
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I'm not even talking about Ifrit Jambe. Sanji's base heat resistance and heat with Diable Jambe is much hotter than Ace. It just simply has a way better scaling chain.
Akainu Ambient Heat < Base PTS Luffy < FMI Haki Luffy Heat Res ~ Jinbe Haki Heat Res < Promentheus Heat < WCI Luffy Heat Res < WCI Sanji Diable Heat <<< Sanji Ifrit Heat
Akainu Ambient Heat >= Ace Heat
Sanji's armament haki feats include:
- Blocking a point black blade strike from Daifuku
- Blocking a spear attack from Judge
- Protecting himself from Ifrit heat which automatically puts him above Ace's due to him having near 0 feats of Armament
Sure, Ace was able to fight with someone equal to him in power for 5 days, but Sanji literally said that having all of his bones broke + having his organs damaged beyond repair stung A BIT.
Ace can do NOTHING on the level of that to Sanji, therefore Ace won't be able to put him down.
Also, what's stopping Sanji's flames from just engulfing Ace's fire with his own?
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What evidence do you have that Akainu's Ambient Heat is less the Post Timeskip Luffy? And what do you mean Ambient? He used an attack to overpower Ace's attack heat.
So what? Neither are Armament users.
Armament was only part of Ifrit Jambe. He couldn't use it Pre-Germa Awakening, and his armament didn't get any stronger.
Sanji's organs weren't damaged beyond repair. It was only stated that his bones were broken. Sure Queen said that he could bust someone's organs with that move but that doesn't mean he did.
Wrong.
The opposite would happen, Ace has far greater control over flames than Sanji does. If anything it would only make him stronger.
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Akainu's ambient heat was able to vaporize steel but not Luffy.
What can Ace do that would do more damage than break all of his bones when his flames can't even burn Sanji?
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You clearly don't know how flames work in One Piece.
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I worded it poorly. But no Ace would not be engulfed especially since Sanji's flames are isolated and are never shown spreading even when Sanji is standing on wood.
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I never stated that Ace would be engulfed by Sanji's flames. I said that Ace's flames would be engulfed. The flames he shoots out, like Hiken.
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Misunderstood. But the logic I laid out applies for this as well.
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How?
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Ace can still manipulate flames better than Sanji, if Sanji tries to block it with his leg Ace could theoretically just turn off Sanji's leg or rip off the Ifrit Jambe and use it himself.
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NLF
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How?
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Bump.
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There's no proof that Ace can control flames much hotter than his own. Assuming that he can is NLF.
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Their not.
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That wasn't even vaporized, it was melted.
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Doesn't effect my argument at all.
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Ok I'll try a different approach. I'm going to dismantle the crux of your argument, your stupid heat scaling chain.
1. This chains makes it seem like Ace could not burn Pre-Timeskip Luffy, I don't think I need to elaborate on why that's wrong.
2. it also downright states Luffy's base heat res is better than the guy that has water powers, and used heat res to block Akainu temporarily(Key word temporarily) in Marineford.
3. The sword melt was Akainu's attack heat as he was about to launch an attack. And the sword was much closer to said attack than Luffy was. And if it had gotten in such a proximity, Luffy would have sustained serious injuries, in fact he did sustain such an injury.
4. Jinbe was never burned by Prometheus, and Luffy never resisted it.
With those 4 points removed we get:
Base PTS Luffy< FMI Haki Luffy < WCI Luffy Heat Res < WCI Diable Jambe ~ Jinbe Heat Res < Ifrit Jambe
And Ace has burned Jinbe, Yamato, and Whitebeard.
As Heat Res is correlated to Haki as you acknowledged yourself Whitebeard's scaling chain goes something like this:
Jinbe's Heat Res => Whitebeard Heat Res < Ace's Heat
Their Heat would thus be about equal and thanks to Ace's greater control over flames and greater versatility would give him the edge.
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This is how the accepted heat scaling chain is in vsbw. Create a CRT if you're so against it.
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You should've lead with it being accepted. I'd like a link to said CRT btw.
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It's actually a bit different than I typed, but it's more like this:
Marineford Luffy Heat Res ~ Ace Heat Res < Akainu Heat
Post Timeskip Luffy Heat Res < Sanji DJ < Sanji Ifrit
Marineford Luffy Heat Res ~ Ace Heat Res < Akainu Heat
Post Timeskip Luffy Heat Res < Sanji DJ < Sanji Ifrit
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It never mentioned Ace in that thread and never put Marineford Luffy's Heat Res on the same level as Ace's heat.
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Akainu's Magma could also burn Ace, therefore Akainu's heat > Luffy and Ace's heat res.
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Yes Akainu's heat is better than Ace's heat res, but that doesn't make his and Luffy's heat res equal.
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It was vaporized, not melted stop with the misinformation. Everytime I see you in a One Piece thread it's usually you saying incorrect shit.
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Not the point and doesn't change my argument at all.
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Vaporization is accompanied by vapor/gas/steam. What is happening in this panel is clearly melting and not vaporization.
You can clearly see the sword liquifying with no trace of gas.
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Colored scans say no, that's a chunk of his magma being flung off. Vaporization is not always indicated by steam or gas, the upper portion of the sword is gone with no traces left of it.Vaporization is accompanied by vapor/gas/steam. What is happening in this panel is clearly melting and not vaporization.
You can clearly see the sword liquifying with no trace of gas.
Getting pretty tired of you spreading misinformation whenever you've prove time and time again that you aren't knowledgeable regarding the verse.
The Sword is clearly being vaporized as there's no molten remnants of the sword left. It's been reduced to nothing save for the end part that didn't come into contact with Akainu's passive aura.
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**** no
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Alright I thought that was part of the sword falling off and melting.Colored scans say no, that's a chunk of his magma being flung off. Vaporization is not always indicated by steam or gas, the upper portion of the sword is gone with no traces left of it.
Getting pretty tired of you spreading misinformation whenever you've prove time and time again that you aren't knowledgeable regarding the verse.
The Sword is clearly being vaporized as there's no molten remnants of the sword left. It's been reduced to nothing save for the end part that didn't come into contact with Akainu's passive aura.
However I am not intentionally spreading misinformation. I am just challenging a claim that I find doesn't make sense. You don't have to get so agitated for something so trivial.
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I legit can't tell if that scaling chain was accepted or not. I'm just gonna count votes for now.
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When has temperature been a discussion in the flames he can control?
Ace has never had a scaling chain accepted in that CRT.
Ace flat out burned through Jinbe's Haki and has burned Whitebeard on multiple occasions. Idk what you guys are talking about
