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Looks like Post Awakening Vinsmoke Sanji is taking multiple L’s in his profile lmao
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Ace vs Sanji
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Counting you 6(Ace)-4(Sanji)
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Can I get a tally, please?
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you lost, sadness will come.... It's not to late to overcome
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Counted. That's grace.
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Lock this shit it's been a month.
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the argument here is that Ace just wins via better heat manip right
what's stopping Sanji from just blitzing Ace to hell and back
Sanji in Base did this, while Ace is slower than Akainu who is slower than War Arc Whitebeard who did this
Sanji has multiple speed amps on top of his speed advantage as well, to the point that Queen, who already couldn't handle Sanji's speed earlier, was kicked 10 times before Queen could process information in his brain. Queen already scales above Ace speed wise
So Sanji can just dodge everything with Geppo and go in for the kill instantly
what's stopping Sanji from just blitzing Ace to hell and back
Sanji in Base did this, while Ace is slower than Akainu who is slower than War Arc Whitebeard who did this
Sanji has multiple speed amps on top of his speed advantage as well, to the point that Queen, who already couldn't handle Sanji's speed earlier, was kicked 10 times before Queen could process information in his brain. Queen already scales above Ace speed wise
So Sanji can just dodge everything with Geppo and go in for the kill instantly
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WB & Ace scale to the base Sanji feat.
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Not according to the general One Piece page
Even if he did, Sanji blitzed Queen, who could still somewhat keep up with Sanji's Base speed, so badly that he was literally invisible to him
What's stopping Sanji from speed amping himself in this match and ending it in CQC?
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He doesn't start with speed amps for one thing. Another is that Ace has better stamina than Queen, since he fought for 5 days on end, so he's got time to launch an A.O.E. Also this thread's already been added, and it has been for around a month. Lock this shit.
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This is the same guy who couldn't last more than an hour against Blackbeard
Sanji's speed advantage after amping himself is enough to literally guarantee Ace lands nothing on him while he pummels him to hell and back. If Ace lands any hits on him, Sanji's extreme pain tolerance will just allow him to ignore it and keep beating Ace down.
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AOE. He'll get knocked away by the blast and then Ace spams it.
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Ace can't spam AOE fast enough to cover that much of a speed difference
Sanji isn't going to get OHKO'd by Ace's attacks, while Ace will not be ok after taking dozens of Sanji's
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And Sanji can't spam FTE. Queen even noted he can't keep it up long. He doesn't really start with that since it's taxing for him. So it doesn't really matter. 1 or 2 AOE and Sanji will start to run out of energy. I'd also note that their is no guarantee that he can go FTE to Ace who tagged Whitebeard(aka a better speed feat than anything Queen has done).
Ace has matched attacks from Admirals and a casual Whitebeard. So Sanji's not going to be okay either.
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We've been over this Kachon. Yes he would.
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Sanji's resistance scales much higher.
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No it doesn't. Reread the arguments.
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Sanji has blue flames directly linked to the sheer heat the fire. Ace doesn't have blue flames.
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Blue-flames are ass in temperature so not sure what the point of bringing it up even is.
Ace downscales from Akainu's heat, since he could leave burns on Whitebeard who can resist Akainu's passive heat.
Ace downscales from Akainu's heat, since he could leave burns on Whitebeard who can resist Akainu's passive heat.
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It's not the level of heat that blue flames has.
It's the fact that because of the massive increase of heat caused Sanji's flames to turn blue. Ace's flames did not reach that level of heat.
Luffy could resist Akainu's passive heat, and WCI Sanji could burn Luffy, so Sanji without Ifrit would scale to around that level as well.
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Fire fist ace fra
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This one is a lot more fair than your blue-flame argument tbh.
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What's wrong with the blue flame argument?
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Because you're arguing that since Sanji's flame gained a different coloration after its temperature was increased inherently means it would scale above the flames of others, which isn't necessarily true since there's evidence in the series which debunks the notion that Sanji has hotter flames comparatively to other people. You'd have to substantiate your claim with actual evidence instead of inductive reasoning because of the counter evidence provided in this thread.
Basically you can't appeal to the coloration changes with IRL flames because of increased temperatures meaning Sanji would have hotter flames compared to others because of counter evidence provided in this thread which contradict this assertion.
Me and Arc explained this to you why this isn't a good argument for Sanji in discord a while back.
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What evidence?
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You and Arc were saying we can't use it to scale above people who use heat-based attack unrelated to fire, such as Akainu's magma, but we can use it to scale above people who use actual fire.
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The temperature of a blue flame is really unimpressive. Both have means of scaling to get them a lot higher than the temp of a blue-flame given they both scale above Enel and Akainu's passive heat so whenever you use the blue-flame argument its really just downplaying both Sanji and Ace.
There's a very specific heat value for blue-flames and said value is astronomically lower than you can scale them to.
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Jesus. This thread is a month old. Close it.
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