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It's used in maany calcs.
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Ace vs Sanji
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If Sanji goes invisible so Ace can't track him the counter Ace would come up with would be to explode the area.
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Kenbunshoku Haki can already see invisible shit.
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Ace does have conquerors haki
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Literally this ^^^
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Before he thinks of that Sanji would already be comboing him.
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Queens Kenbunshoku =/= Ace's Kenbunshoku.
Queen's Kenbunshoku level is never stated nor implied, Ace's Kenbunshoku is stated to be quote on quote "skillful."
It wouldn't.
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Disturbt Sanji's movement making him more susceptible to be hit/seen
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Maybe at most it'd shock Sanji seeing how he's fighting a Conq user, but I doubt it'd do much else
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Doubt it'd even shock him, pretty sure he's been around Advanced Hao before.
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Whole time, Ace's Haki would just grow to the point of Sanji's
The issue with having superior haki than someone is that the person with inferior haki can grow to your level
The issue with having superior haki than someone is that the person with inferior haki can grow to your level
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Also Ace's Reactive Power Level / Adaption for his physical stats. So he has two forms of it, one for his Haki growth and one for his own growth both of which would allow him to catch up to Sanji in due time.
Also King out of curiosity what do you think Ace's heat and resistance Potency would scale to?
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Yup
Slightly backscale from Akainu's heat, which is ridiculously far above his passive heat, AKA above Sanji's
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So you guys gonna vote or not?
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Ace FRA if I hadn't voted already.
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I think Ace's Kenbun is being underrated. In one of his fights against the WB, Ace used his precog in an extremely effective and meticulous way by attacking at always a moment ahead of his opponent starting to move, in the place where he was moving (btw, even Whitebeard recognizes Ace's ability to form this move). This at the very least required Ace to predict and anticipate every move of his target. Another occasion where Ace was shown to be splendid in the Kenbun was when he saw a figure from the future before an attack by Whitebeard.
Sanji has a good kenbun, but in clear feats he's never shown anything so amazing in the precog factor. I'm not saying Sanji would be crushed by Ace's Kenbun, but I don't see the opposite happening either.
Sanji has a good kenbun, but in clear feats he's never shown anything so amazing in the precog factor. I'm not saying Sanji would be crushed by Ace's Kenbun, but I don't see the opposite happening either.
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This is all basic Kenbun.
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And everything Sanji's done is basic Kenbun
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Sheesh!!!
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Read what I said.
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He never said he had better base CoO, he just said that he could sense something Luffy couldn't (women, which he could sense before he had CoO)
And Jinbe never said he was on the verge of mastering it
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DON'T LET THE FLAME DIE OUT!
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Bump
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Can I count all votes based on the Kachon scaling chain as invalid? Saw a few threads do something similar(i.e Garou vs Sonic).
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Bump
WrongIdea21
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I remeber a years ago someone said he did use Future sight
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Well there is just speculation of it being true, otherwise not much proof
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Didn't he can hear the voice of Black Maria's subordinate? and her word is exactly the same word she said when Sanji arrive.
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Light contains heat hence why Kizaru’s attacks are bypassing durability
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Me no at wano yet
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fr? It's already in the animeMe no at wano yet
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I'm on ep 930 on the anime
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He didn't.
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And this is why Sanji can't drill holes through Ace's fire. He's never done that any way.
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Having heat doesn't make something fire
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I understood that reference… I think. Plankton from the SpongeBob movie, right?
Anyway, I think I’m gonna vote for Ace due to the reasons already listed, primarily Ace’s Kenbonshoku Haki. I also personally believe his feats are more impressive than Sanji’s, as he fought against Blackbeard and held his own against some of the Admirals during the Paramount War. Not sure whose heat is more potent, though I believe Ace’s would be based on Kingtempest’s reasonings, as I respect his opinion greatly, and also since Ace literally has a Devil Fruit that turns his body into flames. It’d probably be a difficult match for Ace, but he’d still take it.
